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POLL: Do Charter Schools Have a Lasting Place in Middlesex County?

How have charter schools affected Middlesex County?

 

Middlesex County has a selection of charter schools currently operating, including Greater Brunswick Charter School in New Brunswick, Academy for Urban Leadership Charter School in Perth Amboy, and East Brunswick's Hatikvah International Academy Charter School.

Hatikvah, a Hebrew dual-language school, has been renting space behind the Trinity Presbyterian Church on Cranbury Road since it opened in 2010.

Before it opened its doors it met resistance from the school district. But in 2011, a decision by the State Superior Court Appellate Division put the issue to rest by saying that the district's final appeal, which was based on enrollment, didn't hold up.

Located in two trailers, the school has recently had trouble with a growing enrollment. In September, Gregory Potkulski, director of the township Department of Planning and Engineering, sent the school a letter stating that its enrollment currently exceeds the 152 limit set in a use variance granted the school on July 7, 2011.

To create more space, and to find a permanent home, the school began a search for a new location and settled on 7 Lexington Ave., located in a planned industrial area. In July it unanimously received a variance from the Zoning Board of Adjustment to allow it to renovate a 557,379-square-foot warehouse into a school.

However, a month later residents Deborah Cornavaca and Christine Rampolla filed an appeal of the variance, which would be heard by the Township Council. The appeal stated, among other reasons, that the variance should not have been granted because “there was a conflict of interest,” and that “the board did not permit a complete record to be made.” The appeal also stated “the applicant failed to show that the relief can be granted without substantial detriment to the public good,” and “the applicant failed to show that the relief sought will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan and zoning ordinance.”

On Monday, Jan. 14, the Township Council agreed and overturned the zoning board decision. The next day, school officials announced that they would appeal the decision with the Superior Court.

New Brunswick and Highland Park saw similar discussions in 2011 for the Tikun Olam Hebrew Language Charter High School, proposed by a group of Highland Park residents.

The application was met with opposition by residents of New Brunswick and Highland Park, who argued that the application was flawed and the school would detract funds from other public schools in the city and borough.

The school's application has not been approved.

Given the local discussions that have happened in the last two years about charter schools, do you think that they have a lasting role in the county's education system? What aspects of charter education works and what doesn't? Is charter school conversation too politicized? Tell us in the comments below.

  • Does charter education have a lasting place in Middlesex County?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes - School choice is important, and charters provide more options and teaching philosophies
        265 (61%)
    • No - Charters take money from the budgets of the public school districts of their towns
        168 (38%)
    Total votes: 433
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Charter School, Hatikvah, Save Our Schools NJ, and Tikun Olam Hebrew Language Charter High School

Bob

7:38 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

How can the Patch just lump all charter schools in together like this? The other charters in Middlesex County do not suffer from the same ethics and legal problems as the two supported by the Hebrew Charter Network. Tikum Olum was caught before they opened, fortunately. But, Hatikvah was continued on in this manner, because there is no oversight for the Department of Education.

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Steven

8:04 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Once more throwing ridiculous lies into the public arena about Hatikvah. Your insinuation that it does not operate ethically is completely false and a disgusting comment. The school enhances East Brunswick with school choice and has forced the BOE to finally operate a full day kindergarten, which enhances the town and helps parents. The legal problems are completely the result of town leaders not following the rules and wasting town resident time and money fighting a school that will help the town in the long run. Bob you need to substantiate your vile attack or rescind it!

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joyce

8:19 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Is it true that the school is being sued by another business in town?

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Kevin I

1:08 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Copy paste, copy paste. What a pathetic attempt by this website to use the guise of "Middlesex County" charter schools as a way to drag the school in East Brunswick through the mud. I question why they did not simply add to the article that the children attending there don't learn anything either. Funny, there was no mention of those other schools cited in the actual article. Just keep posting articles about this school so Anne, Kelly, Deborah, and Lucy can keep the attacks going. Based on their number of posts it seems they have nothing better to do anyway.

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Andy Wright

1:21 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Please do not lump Greater Brunswick or Urban Leadership Academy in with the Hatikvah's of the world. Greater Brunswick is very accountable to taxpayers and was started by local residents, not a a charter incubator.Also, they actually hold their Board meetings when they say they will, so that members are the public are able to attend; and they heavily advertise the Board meeting where their budget is passed. They also provide all agendas (ahead of time) and meeting minutes on their website and provide detailed minutes.

http://public.boardontrack.com/Greater_Br_1/

I really would please ask that you not post polls like this that lump all charter schools together like this.

Teresa

7:53 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

I agree completely with Bob. New Brunswick is a different situation. East Brunswick is a Blue Ribbon school district. There was absolutely no need for a charter school. If you want to learn Hebrew, then pay for it and learn it on your own time and money. Taking the fund from the public school for this is an outrage!

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Jarhead

3:05 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Teresa, Taking my tax dollars to fund public school is an outrage. I haven't had kids in school for over 12 years, but 70% of my property taxes go to support something I get no benefit from. Property values fluctuate with the economy, not the "Blue Ribbon" schools. By the way they give out " Blue Ribbon" designations as freely as they give out Blue Ribbons for tomatoes at the County Fair.

kaniej

8:17 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

There's nothing offered in a charter school that couldn't be offered in a public school. If its more feasible to offer such a program on a county-wide basis, it can be done through magnet or vocational schools. I see no reason to turn our tax dollars over to a private organization where there is no accountability for how that money is spent.

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Stacy

8:20 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

I reject the idea that because I am fortunate enough to live in a town such as East Brunswick that I cannot have choice in where my child goes to school. Just because someone lives in East Brunswick does not automatically mean one is wealthy enough to afford private school, which prior to the existence of charter schools was the only available choice beside the community public school. (Please let me be absolutely clear that I mean private schools in general, like Rutgers Prep for example NOT religious education)

Hatikvah offers more than language immersion, which while a huge benefit is NOT the reason for my choice. They also offer smaller student teacher ratios and Inquiry Based Learning which research shows enhances learning and is not generally happening in the other township schools.

While I oppose public money being used for private and religious school vouchers, I believe public charter schools offer an appropriate compromise, preserving public education while providing a laboratory for innovative teaching methods.

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Anne

9:56 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

I don't see alot of people on here saying you shouldn't have school choice. I do see alot of people comment that they do not want their tax payer dollars ripped out of the school budget to fund Hatikvah charter school.

Your first sentence is irrelevant, because you could live anywhere in the state and send your child to Hatikvah. They've had to enroll children from as far away as Toms River and Dunnellen to fill its classrooms.

Charter schools are only way for you to have school choice. What about magnets, vocational schools, and InterDistrict School Choice? School choice was available to East Brunswick families way before Hatikvah came along.

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anne

10:01 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Sorry, Stacy. You absolutely do have a choice about where your child goes to school. You can choose to send your child to public schools, which function as a part of our democratic form of government (democracy that would seem to preclude the idea that a small group of people have the ability to highjack tax dollars without any input from the majority of stakeholders) with accountability to the entire community. Or you can choose to pay to send your child to a private school.

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Liti Haramaty

11:03 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Stacy - you had a choice. The Greater Brunswick charter school accepts students from surrounding towns, including East Brunswick.

Lucy

9:30 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

It seems as thought Hatikvah supporters feel that anyone opposing ther presence of the school in EB is anti-charter school. There are several of you well-known adovcates who are very fond of slinging that accusation at anyone who voices a valid concern about the school. There are many people who are pro-charter scchool in certain situations. There was never ever a vote in EB regarding the school, whioch is typically the case with a charter school. The fact that HAtikvah's charter required 90% enrollment of EB residents and is currently only at little more than 50% is appauling. Yet EB residents are still supposed to be happy about the large amount of money being sucked out of the school district, which serves thousands upon thousands of children, to serve a mere 50 or so EB residents. THAT is the disgusting part. Try to step back for one moment and see the other side.
Additionally, it is almost comical that the school's opponents are often labeled anti-semetic but the school isnt a Jewish school, right? YOu cannot have it both ways---if you believe the opposition is due to anti-semetism than musn't it be a jewish school? The council did the right thing to reject the variance; what would have happened in the future when other businesses wanted to open in that area? Suddenly you have a problem b/c there are kids there. You are not ENTITLED to have a school wherever you want. ENough!

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

2:17 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

The charter school in EB followed approved procedures to get their approval. If you have complaints about the way charter schools are approved, deal with the state government which made the rules.

Lucy

9:36 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Additionally, the foundation that purchased the building in quesiton for 2 million dollars is a Jewish foundation. I only point that out because the costant denials of the school having any affiliation with religion is absurd. I am Jewish myself but I strongly disagree with public tax money going to this school. I am not anti-semetic--I am anti-inequity and anti-entitlement.

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Karl

2:04 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

if the said foundation had instead given 2 million dollars to the Teacher's Union, would you have made an attack on ==that==? Or is it all about, who's ox is being gored?

Lucy

10:02 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

well said Anne. What about private schools as well?

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Jim Johnson

10:09 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

The charter school in East Brunswick has been met with such resistance because it is the first time in its history that a checks and balance has been put in place to hold our BOA accountable. The bully tactics of the BOA to relentlessly try to block the success will not go unnoticed. I'd like to know when the township council received zoning training to be educated in overturning a decision of another township department. The council should have thrown this request back to the BOE and let them look like the fear mongering entity they have been. The BOA main problem is that with a charter school we are able to educate each child to a cost of $4,000 less per child per year. I can only imagine the anger of the NJEA boss who makes $500,000 a year, that there is a more cost effective way to educate without having a wasteful union overlay. Is the union actually there for the kids or for their pockets? The council needs to focus on controlling the waste of the BOA instead of being allowed to be manhandled. Very disappointing event from the eyes of a long time East Brunswick resident with 4 children in the district and a product of the school system myself.

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Tracey

12:26 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Well said Jim. I also know that EB has aquired new residents as a result of Hatikvah opening the doors. EB has established new tax payers that would have otherwise gone elsewhere.

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XIAOCHONG

12:35 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

The joke is on them, then, Tracey. They could've received more house for their dollar in Spotswood, paid less property tax, and still sent their kids to the charter school.

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XIAOCHONG

12:37 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Also, as it was pointed out here, the charter school does not do more with less. In fact, it appears to be doing less with more..

Kelly

10:20 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Jim Johnson, you are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. If you looked at the money the school spends per child, it is not even near as efficient as the district is. What does the NJEA have to do with this? The NJEA is organizing charter schools teachers - it means more money for them. Based on your reason, the NJEA must love this school!

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Jim Johnson

10:38 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

It is costing more money for the town because the money that should be allotted for the charter school should be eliminated from the budget. We are down over 1000 enrolled kids in East Brunswick since 2004 yet we run the same amount of schools and continue to build. It would make sense to empty out one of the older elementary schools and lease that to the charter school. We could actually show some profit. Wouldn't that be smart..

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XIAOCHONG

12:34 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

My understanding is that we needed more classroom space to implement full-day kindergarten, and the expansion of Memorial allowed that to happen (though Hatikvah wants to take credit). Now that we require double the number of kindergarten classrooms, we actually need all eight elementary school buildings. Unfortunately, we are now also saddled with all of the costs of operating a ninth elementary school.

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Kevin I

3:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

XIAOCHONG, we did not need more classroom space. Those words were used by Deborah Cornavaca in one of her postings. Tell me, how does the construction of one elementary school miraculously provide enough room for the ENTIRE DISTRICT to provide full-day kindergarten? I personally approached the BOE and the mayor numerous times over the course of a decade and was told emphatically full day kindergarten WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Then all of a sudden, it happened!

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

3:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

XIAOCHONG - it's not a matter of Hatikvah taking credit for the full-day Kindergarten, but rather about acknowledging the truth about the benefits of open-market competition. After decades of taking no action on providing an option for Kindergarten, just as Hatikvah was to begin its first year of operation, EB schools began offereing a wrap-around program to provide Kindergartners with a full day experience. This was BEFORE space from Memorial became available. (Although I'm not clear on how the opening of Memorial impacts space availability at the other elementary schools but I am admittedly out of the loop on this.) If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck.
And not only that, but no one has been able to explain to me how the BOE funded the full-day Kindergarten program in the face of the many cuts (of which Hatikvah only represents 10%) the school district faced. And why did they choose to fund all-day Kindergarten instead of the foreign language program which would have benefitted many more children than just a full day Kindergarten? These are all valid questions, but not ones that anit-charter school residents seem to want to address truthfully and in good faith.

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Gideon

11:32 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Lori, excellent post. Please run for BOE. The last two meetings I went to, there was no discussion at all about how to improve education. It seems there is no interest in improving things, all they do is pass meaningless resolutions.

Joe R

11:13 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Charter schools are private schools receiving public money. They are unaccountable to the duly elected school boards. The public does not get to vote on the charter school board of directors and they don't get to vote directly on the charter school budget. In addition, the residents have absolutely no say whether a charter school is imposed on their district. Charter schools do drain resources and money from the actual public schools; public schools have fixed expenses that don't go down if pupils opt for the charter school. And after a certain period of time, the charter school can get to keep the pupil's tuition, even if he/she bails out of the charter school and returns to the REAL public school. Charter schools do not have the same percentage of special needs kids and English learners. They can counsel out the behavior problems and the kids who lower their scores. When charter schools flop for whatever reason, then the kids must immediately be placed back in the REAL public schools. This has happened with several charter schools in Trenton and with little notice to the parents and school district.

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Joe R

11:18 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

That NJEA boss does not earn $500,000, that's a zombie myth that never dies. It's more like $325,000 and he's not getting public money, it's private money. A small fraction of charter schools are unionized.

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Favorite Teacher

5:29 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

it's private money? nope it's your tax dollars that pay the teachers' salaries, from which the union demands their "dues" and even if teachers choose not to join the union they still must pay 80% of dues and get no rights.

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LoriK

8:02 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

And get no rights? That benefits package you have is a direct result of the collective bargaining made possible on,y by the collective strength of the union. You want to mooch off of what they get you in a contract and you don't want to pay your fair share, go to a right to work state. Is this what charter schools are really about? Breaking unions?

Lucy

11:21 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Joe you put it perfectly. They have no accountability to the BOE (who they thoroughly disrespect and insult, even on their own school's official website). The residents of the town overwhelmingly did not support the school's opening because charter schools are meant to be in towns where the schools are failing. They have a definitley purpose but not here. And it is getting very old being told that if we are not in favor of the school we are anti-choice. there were enough choices already if they had been willing to pay for them instead of as Anne said "highjacking" money from the school disctrict. they think they are adding appeal to the town but in fact it is the opposite. In fact you can obvioulsy live anywher ein the state and come to the school so why would it be adding appeal to our town?

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Favorite Teacher

5:32 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Lucy: "because charter schools are meant to be in towns where the schools are failing."
oops, you are incorrect wrong, No where in the LAW does it state that charters belong in failing districts.

Les

11:52 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Where is everyone getting their information from ? In standardized testing, such as SATs , we are not in the top 10, or even top 20. We ranked only #34 in the State of NJ and NJ is below the National average. Do we have a good school system, Yes, is there room for improvement ? Also yes.

The effort, money and time, continually fighting the Charter School concept can be better spent elsewhere. If it was a Science Charter School vs a Hebrew Language Charter School would the attacks continue? I think not. That is what really concerns me.

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Lucy

12:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

regarding your comment about a science charter; to use the analogy it would be like if 50 kids from EB and an equal amount from assorted towns, got a special science program and to cover the expense, the thousands and thousands of EB kids in the public schools LOST science. DO you not realize that EB has been forced to cut elementarty second languages, among other things, because of Hatikvh? And those of you who will deny it is because of Hatikvh, dont bother. If you can claim that they instituted full day kindergarten only because of you than own up to them losing money because of you. You cannot cherry pick the impact hatikvah has had on the rest of the community. Of course there will be resentment.

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Meredith S

12:03 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Please allow me to make some observations. What if we were to look at education as a service industry? After all, in EB, the BOE manages a $103M budget to provide a service (education). Up until very recently, the BOE has had a monopoly and total control over this service. If we were to look at history, anytime a service industry has a monopoly, the level of service as well as value decreases due to lack of market forces. This is why US government broke up Bell Telephone into Baby Bells, AT&T, etc. Market dynamics (i.e. competition) forces organizations to innovate, improve, do things better in order to provide a better value to the consumer. So what has happened in EB in the last 15-20 years? The school rankings have dropped and the school system is no longer considered on the cutting edge as it had been very deservingly in the past. While all of NJ is under tremendous fiscal pressure, other school districts have managed to improve. Where are the EB innovation, improvement, energy, new ideas?

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Kelly

12:19 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Meredith, East Brunswick offered foreign language in its elementary schools, until the program was cut as a result of the millions of dollars the district is forced to send to Hatikvah. In fact the foreign language program in the elementary schools in East Brunswick was a state model that was replicated all over New Jersey. You asked where the innovation is? Innovation costs money, and you are advocating that the money be diverted to Hatikvah instead.

Meredith S

12:03 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

And where is the accountability of BOE and school administrators? This is what public government struggles with in general - lack of accountability for providing improving value to the tax-payer. I don't know much about Hatikva and do not necessarily agree with their choice of Hebrew as a language. However, teaching a second language (no matter what is) starting in kindergarten has shown in studies to improve overall academic performance. Having 2 teachers in the classroom to provide more individual attention to the student seems like a good idea to me. It appears to me that this charter school is competing for students with the traditional public schools, who up til now have had no competition and therefore no impetus to innovate and get better. If EB BOE provided a service which was perceived to get better - a lot fewer parents would be willing to send their kids to the charter school (as I understand it, it is their lawful right to do so if they choose). Competition breeds a better product. Rather than make excuses and point fingers, the EB BOE and school administrators must innovate and improve the service they provide. Taxpayers must hold their elected officials accountable for the value they receive for their tax dollar. I have not seen that happen so far, and it seems that the mere existence of this Hatikva Charter school is putting pressure on them to perform. Heck, if I was them, I wouldn't want the school here either, it would make my job a lot easier.

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Kelly

12:21 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Meridith, since you like creating these imaginary scenarios, instead of dealing with real dollars and cents, consider this: Imagine if all the time and money the founders of Hatikvah spent on developing this school were instead spent on improving the public schools, so that ALL the children in East Brunswick could benefit instead of just their own.

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joey g

12:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Some people are too lazy or think its not their job to get involved. Until they see an opportunity for themselves to get some direct benefit, and then they jump out of their seats, like "where's mine? where's mine?"

Meredith S

12:30 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly - thanks for your reply. However, if all industries said "I can't innovate because I need more money" they would all be dinosaurs. The EB public schools have been in some level of decline long before this charter school came about. I understand it's easier to point fingers than to look at yourself in a critical way (as the EB BOE does). I have to ask - why would any non-Jewish child want to come to this charter school? When you come up with an honest answer for that question, you will start looking at real issues which may include: lousy contracts, no administrative accountability for performance, overpayment for supplies/utilities, bad decisions on facilities management, inability to improve teaching personnel due to tenure rules, lack of innovation in teaching methods or approaches. I don't have the answers, but you all need to start asking the questions. Pointing fingers at a school which (as I understand from reading the posts) accounts for 1% of the school budget will not solve the underlying issues. It's just a diversion from the real problems.

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Kelly

12:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Thank you for your response, as well. Although you didn't actually respond to anything I wrote. Also, I never said there should be more money, I just pointed out that when someone strips away part of your budget, you have make up for it somehow.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

2:25 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly, do you deny that the EB school system has been on the decline and could benefit from improvements? I'm not sure where you stand on that - charter school issue aside.

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Kelly

2:43 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lori, I haven't denied that at all. I thought this was a discussion about the charter school.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

3:03 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Come now Lucy, you seem like an intelligent enough woman. I'm sure you understand that a discussion of charter schools, positioned by the state as a vehicle for choice in education, goes hand-in-hand with the quality of the alternative choice. I suppose when you're fighting so vehemently against a charter school, it might be difficult for you to acknowledge that the public school has significant opportunities for improvement.

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Kevin I

3:55 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lori, of course Kelly is going to keep the topic on the charter school. it's all she knows how to write about. she cant answer questions about the BOE and the poor management of programming because she only cares about attacking the charter school. That's why she doesn't respond to anyone's questions. I wonder if she is even a taxpayer in town. Or perhaps someone living in a rental unit or with mommy and daddy.

Jamie Sanu

12:54 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I didn't know much about charter schools, but after what I've seen in East Brunswick, I do not think I support them.

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Meredith S

1:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly - I believe I responded. To answer your comment the same way you answered mine: Imagine if all the energy and money the BOE spent on fighting the school was spent on innovating and providing a better product? Once again - why do non-Jewish parents send their kids to this school? No-one has answered that question yet. Maybe answer is that they perceive it is better than the other choice. Demand MORE from your BOE and school administrators. Become the better choice - that's the solution. Competition is tough, but in the end, the consumer - YOU and ALL YOUR CHILDREN will benefit.

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Kelly

1:12 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

In the real world, Meredith, and not the scenraio you dream up, ALL OUR CHILDREN are being harmed. Many parents come on here and try as best they can to rationalize why the school is okay in an attempt to justify their decision. Is it okay that they chose this for their child? - that's not for me to judge. Perhaps, they believe they are getting something better there. The school does use some pretty distasteful deception tactics in their marketing after all. The private sector scenarios you describe are not applicable, but if they make you fell better, then go right ahead.

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anne

1:26 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

The real issue has nothing to do with Judaism. It has to do with democracy. Why is a very small group of people allowed to divert taxpayer-derived funds from the public schools? If the majority of the taxpayers in East Brunswick believe this is a worthwhile use of limited resources, then have at it. But if, as I suspect, that is not the case, then picking taxpayer pockets is patently undemocratic.
By the way, the Board of Ed certainly does have accountability to the people of East Brunswick. Every member has to stand for election every three years.

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Kevin I

1:31 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly & Anne - If Meredith said the sky was blue you would disagree. Who is the "very small group of people" you refer to? I think the council in EB is picking your taxpayer pocket right now since they have gotten the town into a lawsuit...but I'm sure you don't care since the sky isn't blue.

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Jake

1:40 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I agree and I'd say that is the case for both sides. No one is changing any one else's minds, so let it go.

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Anne

1:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

For the record, there seems to be quite a few anne's, normans, etc. on here.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

2:28 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Meredith, I couldn't agree with you more. Lucy and Kelly seem to want to spend their time and energy fighting a small charter school rather than focusing on the real issue at hand - the need to improve EB schools. Where is the BOE? They should be informing the public what they are doing to make our schools better. I have a child in the public schools, so that's what I care about.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

2:29 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly - touche`...if it makes you feel better to demonize Hatikvah, then go right ahead. Oh wait, you already are. Scratch that.

Meredith S

1:18 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly - private sector scenarios are applicable. The public sector has been sliding too long. NJ is the second most taxed state in terms of property and income taxes. The school performance should be commensurate with that dubious honor, but in EB it is not. Please open your mind to other possibilities and solutions. I implore you. Insulting the school will get you no-where to what you really want.

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Meredith S

1:23 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly - if those parents felt they were not getting something better, the school would be empty. Competition is better for both public and private sectors. Compete, be better, be creative. Consumer sentiment will sort this issue out. Legislating parental (consumer) choice in public education out is a mistake in strategy. It breeds incompetence and lack of accountability (something we can all see).

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Kelly

8:14 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Meredith, I've never suggested getting rid of school choice, I suggested getting rid of Hatikvah. I respect that you seem more fond of competition than collaboration that I am. I don't agree with you, but I do respect that you differ in opinion than me.

I see things differently. I still don't think the public sector analogy applies for a number of reasons. But, if I did go along with it, you'd have to atleast concede that in this case the shareholders (the public) not showing up to meetings or holding the "CEO" accountable is as much if not more of a problem, than lack of competition. After all, we have all the other towns to compete with and always have - there is no shortage of competition. Moreover, in your analogy, shareholders of Bell are now actually working with AT&T instead of showing up to stockholder meetings and working against their own interests.

Again, I respect that this is your position. I just don't feel you've made a valid comparison or a compelling argument.

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Meredith S

11:03 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Kelly - your honesty is very refreshing. I applaud you. I suspect that your opposition to the school's new location may be clouded by your desire to outright close the school (which in my mind may invalidate a good portion of any arguments you make on the location issue). I do agree with you about apathy and lack of tax-payer (share-holder) involvement in the BOE issues. I suggest everyone's time may be better spent there. I am certain you have some very good, innovative ideas on how to improve the EB public schools. Other than closing the charter school, would you please share those ideas with the readers? Have you shared these ideas with the BOE?

Lucy

1:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kevin your comments are absurd. The only thing public about hatikvah is that it is funded with the public's money. Only 57% of hatikvahs student body is from EB.( as opposed to the 90% the charter requires). They have 50 something students who are residents. Thats not a small group of people. There is no way of speaking rationally with some of you. By the way, I find it humorous that it has been said on here numerous times that the charter called for 90% , not 57%, and no has responded to that. And to say the BOE has no accountability is equally absurd. Their records are an open book by law and the members are elected.

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Kevin I

1:50 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lucy:

So in other words, you are complaining that they are taking in more out-of-town kids than you think they should be? I could care less. Let them take 99% out of town. When I say out-of-town, I assume you refer to the ones that EB doesn't pay for??

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Kevin I

3:58 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lucy, I misread your post. You say they have 50 something EB residents. Next line you say 57% of the students are residents. Using their current enrollment, that equates to 112 students. But I'm sure you'll post a clever (wink wink) reply to cover up for your pure disregard for facts (or simple math).

Bertin Lefkovic

1:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Is there a reason that the vacancies in the East Brunswick school system, created as a result of parents choosing to send their children to Hatikvah, could not be filled with children from nearby districts that are not nearly as good as EB, such as New Brunswick or South River?

There has been a lot of talk about the Inter-District School Choice program during these debates, but it is unclear how much this program is actually utilized. When someone chooses to send their child(ren) to a school in another district, does their home district pay the tuition or does the family have to pay it? If it is the former, then there is no reason that EB should not be able to find replacements for the children that it loses to Hatikvah? If it is the latter, then the program is not a realistic alternative to charter schools.

Instead of declaring civil war and dividing communities, proponents of public education should unite on behalf of new charter school legislation that would enable charter schools like Hatikvah and traditional schools to cooperate rather than compete.

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Leon

3:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

This is the same Bertin Lefkovic who posts on other Boards about sending his daughter to Hatikvah so that she can go to school with more kids of her own religion.

There's a name for that kind of behavior. Can anyone remind me what that word is?

Lucy

2:04 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kevin, are you really suggesting that the per capita rate of what EB recieves for each of those students is paying for everything? At less than 14k per student they have to staff an entire school which is the tip of the iceberg. How efficient do you think it is to operate an entire school for just 100 kids?

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Kevin I

3:59 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Last I read, peak enrollment is limited to 400. I'm sure you have some other "facts" to show I am mistaken though.

Jim Johnson

2:22 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly you say above that u am entitled to my opinion but as I read thru these post you bash everyone who doesn't agree with you. Pony up to an open adult debate here and respect others thoughts and comments. Your "facts" are hearsay and far from the actual truth. You obviously have a beef with the charter school. Dig into the years of corruption of the BOE instead of coming here as their puppet. I personally nailed the BOA at a council meeting 3 years ago as they tried to bond 6 million for expenditures that were already included in the previous budget. Its all public record so do your homework. East Brunswick schools are in decline. There is rampid drug issues in our highschool. Kids as young as 7 grade has been caught dealing drugs in Hammarskjold. That is FACTS. Your points or empty and are obviously tied to the continued coverup by our illustrious BOA. I will continue to challenge the BOA as long as I have a vested interest in the academic success of my children. Also use your real name instead of hiding behind some imaginary screen name.Be proud of your personal comments instead of mud slinging with a fictional name. That proves to me that your cowardness is unworthy to be taken serious. I am out there for the town to see and don't need yo hide behind smoke and mirrors.

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george

2:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Isn't that what you are doing here? Attacking her because you disagree, instead of focusing on the issue.

Jim Johnson

2:59 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

No George.. attack not, give my opinion yes..

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Myrna

2:59 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I have a question. Is East Brunswick paying for just the 50 or so Hatikvah students who live in East Brunswick? Are the 50 or so non-resident students paid for by the towns in which they live, or is East Brunswick footing the bill for all?
My opinion is that Hatikvah is a private school, as Montessori is a private school. Each offers an innovative method of instruction, each offers smaller class sizes and a more desirable ratio of teachers to students. Yet Hatikvah is receiving public funds, while Montessori and other private schools are not.
I believe parents have the right to choose whether to send their kids to private schools rather than public schools.. But not on the taxpayers dime. Those who feel they cannot afford private school tution should look into scholarships to see it their kids would qualify.

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Kevin I

3:32 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

East Brunswick pays for only resident students.

Jim Johnson

3:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I have put facts in my post George. Hense the silence from "Kelly" I don't enjoy reading comeback posts from folks here the hide behind names.. just saying "George"

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

3:08 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Right on Jim. Who are "Kelly", "Lucy", "George"...Who knows who these people are and what special interests they represent. "Anne" complains that there are quite a number of other "Annes" on the board, but if people used their full names, it wouldn't be an issue. Have the courage of your convictions and use your full names people.

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Kelly

3:31 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Why are you so concerned with the people here instead of the issue at hand? I've provided plenty of links and facts to support my opinion in the past.

If you believe your position has merit, it does't matter who the other people on the Board are. I haven't let the fact that you are a founder of the school alter my perception of the issues or your positions, Lori. I just happen to disagree is all.

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anne

3:35 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Jim: Ironically, since you accuse others of repeating hearsay, you have put no facts in your posts. You have put wild, unsubstantiated assertions. Board of Ed Corruption? Back it up, please? Drug dealing by 7-yea-olds? Proof? East Brunswick schools rank among the best in the state.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

3:59 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly, interesting that you refuse to discuss EB public school quality. Don't you want better schools in town? You give the BOE a perfect opportunity to hide behind a focus on the charter school, a school with a tiny % of the total EB student population. They must be laughing themselves silly that our illustrious town residents can be so easily distracted from the real issue at hand. We should all be standing up and DEMANDING they take action to stop the decline in quality of our schools. And yes Kelly, I helped the school as they were getting started, but shortly after they were approved I had to step away from my involvement and now I'm simply a consumer of our schools with one daughter in public school and another at Hatikvah. I have a vested interest in seeing BOTH schools succeed, but EB public school administration has been a sore disappointment in that regard. Oh, and not that it's any of your business, but I am not blindly committed to keeping my daughter at Hatikvah. I would never sacrifice her quality of education - I am constantly assessing how I think the school is meeting her needs and have only kept her there b/c I'm pleased with the results. Supply and demand & market competition at work.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

4:04 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Oh, and Kelly, you haven't needed to let my involvement as an original founder of the school "alter your perceptions" of my comments - b/c no matter what I say you disagree, so it really doesn't matter to you who I am beyond the fact that I am someone who would like to see our public schools improve and you don't want to acknowledge that it's necessary. I have to go do some work now...

Jarhead

3:40 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Myrna, non resident students @ Hatikvah receive tuition from the towns they come from. And as far as parents choosing to send their kids to private schools, in East Brunswick, they still pay their property taxes, which funnel almost 70% to the public school cartel in addition to the tuition they pay for the private school education. The " taxpayers dime" goes to extort money to buy politicians in exchange for votes. From the municipal to the national level, part of these extorted monies go to fund politicians who cater to the whims of the unions. Just look at the $600 million the teachers union used to try and thwart Governor Christies election bid. Part of that money was my tax dollars at work, supporting a cause I do not believe in.

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Kevin I

3:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

EBHS: Ranked 121 out of 328. Seems your assertion is "wild, unsubstantiated" and without facts. Hypocrite.

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Luz Landeo

3:46 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Luz
I am a proud Hatikvah parent and non-Jewish East Brunswick resident
I am just sick about your comments against Hatikvah.As a parent I had the opportunity to send my kids to the EB public schools and compare between them and Hatikvah and with no doubts my choice is HATIKVAH.Our school is not about religion like some of you stated.Hatikvah is about a new learning opportunity for our children with innovating and non-traditional methods of education.OPEN YOUR MIND PLEASE!!!

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Meredith S

5:00 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Luz - thank you for your comment. I was wondering why a non-Jewish person would send their child to Hatikva. You were the first person here to answer that. Can you tell me why you think this choice is better for you than the traditional EB public school?

george

3:46 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Jim, since you find the person making the argument more important than the argument itself, would you mind me asking if your spouse is on the zoning board?

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Jarhead

3:51 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Missed the desimal point on the $600 million the extortion association donated to the campaign to defeat Governor Christie. Should be $6 million. but just as the taxpayers have funded over $ 100, 000 in legal fees trying eliminate the charter school, whats a missed decimal point among friends. Thousands of more tax dollars will be spent on litigation after the council caved in to the special interests by revoking the variance at the Lexington location.

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Lucy

4:03 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kevin-Your thinking on this issue seems to be clouded by your passion for the school. To respond to Myrna's quesiton, the districts from where all the other students come pay EB per capita. The amount is less than 14k per student. That is the same amount a school that is ALREADY UP AND RUNNING receievs per student. The difference is that EB has to pay for everything but the physical building. Staffing teachers, custodial staff, specialists, pay utilities, transportation, and a million other things. Highland Park sends the same percentage of their kids to Hatikvah as EB does--why arent they splitting the bill with EB?? ** I am not 100% sure if EB has to provide transportation to the kids who live in towns like Toms River. Not sure how that works. But SURELY you can see that it is much less efficient to start up and operate a new school that will only serve 100 kids than 800??

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Kevin I

4:12 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lucy, I misread your post earlier. You say they have 50 something EB residents. Next line you say 57% of the students are residents. Using their current enrollment, that equates to 112 students. Nice.

Next, if HP sends the same percentage as EB then that is 57+57 = 114%. Excellent.

Don't you think the costs to pay the teachers and staff is part of the 14k per student? Or are you saying that the 14k is pocketed while the town pays everyone's salary?

But I'm sure you'll post a clever (wink wink) reply to cover up for your pure disregard for facts (or simple math). Are you even a taxpayer in town? Or are you living in a rental unit? Or with mommy and daddy?

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Lucy

4:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kevin I will ignore your completely moronic statements. I said HP sends almost the same percentage of their students to the school as EB sends of its students. Read more carefully. I will admit to not knowing the exact number of students. That is not the point. It doesnt change the fact that little over half the students are residents. I am not going to reply to your other comments because unlike you I have other things to do. Good luck with your school. You are obviously a charming and lovely person.

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Kevin I

4:33 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Not the point? You keep moving from point to point and then ignoring your prior posts in an effort to just keep typing and typing away spreading as many lies as possible about the school. Perhaps you should have written that you will not respond to anyone who continues to feed you your own medicine. You have a nice weekend too!

Lucy

5:31 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Your school is in a sad state if you are the kind of parent they are dealing with. I did not "spread" any lies. What are you even talking about? Once someone on here starts spewing nasty insults its time to call it a day. Dont bother replying because you have lost what credablilty you have when you asked if I rent or live with my parents--both insulting and moronic at the same time. AGain, the point is not the # of students---it is that little more than half are residents yet EB is footing the bill for everything over the 14k per student which will result in millions of dollars. I am assuming that is too complicated of a concept for you which is why you resorted to calling it a lie and insulting me.

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Meredith S

5:40 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lucy - I thought EB pays only for EB students on a per student basis. Am I wrong? I also thought the other towns pay per student too. So if no EB parents chose the school as an option, no EB funds would be turned over. My understanding is that these are the only public funds charter schools receive. Do you have information contrary to this? Thanks in advance.

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don diego

5:54 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Where are the facts that EB is responsibl;e for any amount over $14k per student? As I understand the formula, the sending district pays the charter school the formulaic payment. If there is a budget deficiency, that is the problem of the charter school.

Lucy, from what I see here, no matter what anyone else says you rail against Charter Schools.

And the constant argument of there is no democracy for my tax money is really shallow. As Americans we are forced to pay for alll sorts of projects that we have no democratic say over. NJ gets far less than 100% of the money back from the Feds compared to what we sent.

Jarhead

5:40 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lucy, sounds like you are not sure of anything but spouting the teachers union's mantra. Do not challenge our strangle hold on the public's tax dollars! Sounds like you are not 100% sure of anything but still need to say something, no matter how irrelevant and uniformed. And you call us morons? If you are going to ignore Kevins posts, why did you respond? Who's the moron?

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Meredith S

5:46 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Jarhead - no need to insult Lucy. But I do agree with your point about tax dollars. If the public acted like shareholders and demanded a return on their investment (tax dollars), we would all be much better off. Competition appears to be making some folks uncomfortable.

Lucy

6:02 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Its great that you are all dispelling the myth that you're bullies.
I am sure you are doing wonders for your cause by treating people this way.

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Not accountable?

6:02 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Let's focus the good ol twp BOE for a minute. I ran a search for East Brunswick High School and sorted by number of classes taught. I was astounded by the fact that there are actually 37 out of 197 (19%) teachers working there - YES, this does not include any secretaries, cafeteria workers or aides - that are earning a combined $3,084,001 per year plus benefits to teach ZERO students. WOW, that's wonderful for the taxpayers. If I had the time I would run the same report for the entire district to see if 20% of our entire district teaches NO ONE.

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Kelly

6:34 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I have no problem examining the district's budget. In fact, I think everyone should comb it and understand. But, I must say that this is one my biggest pet peaves about Hatikvah, is that instead of trying to sell the school on its own merits, the sales pitch is always about how bad the public schools are. Not only do I find it distasteful but also reckless. Our property values are tied to the reputation of our schools. And, whether you support Hatikvah or not, it is still your responsibility to improve the public schools and raise its profile.

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Lori Trachtenberg Ginsberg

9:06 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Kelly, you are a slippery one, aren't you? Instead of acknowledging that our schools need work and committing to ushering in change, since you feel it is everyone's responsibility to do so, you twist words to find yet another way to try to bash Hatikvah supporters? And silly girl, you know in past Patch articles when someone, like Victoriya, talked about some of the positives of Hatikvah you came back with a litany of reasons why you think the school isn't good. So you're clearly not open to hearing people sing its praises. I will be happy to do so if it's not a waste of my time, so let me know if I should bother or if you're just going to refute my personal opinions.

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Kelly

9:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Lori, you are playing fast and loose with facts again, sort of like that 50% number you made up in thin air yesterday. Here is what Victoryia said: "The school has a strong curriculum and 2 teachers per class as opposed to one. So, why wouldn't one choose a school as such?" All I did was answer her question - with data and links to my sources.

Why are you so consumed with my opinions? Is it so hard for you to just accept that there are people who do not support Hatikvah and have rational reasons to do so?

I also don't understand your resorting to name calling just because you don't like my thought process.

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Gideon

11:27 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Kelly, you should get busy examining the budget. I bet you can find millions in savings from poor management.

Not accountable?

6:04 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

All while this is going on, the EBHS dropped 50 spots on the NJ list of best high schools. It is now #121. I don't recall a press release from the BOE about this. As a taxpayer I think we are owed some explanation as to why the rankings keep falling and our taxes keep rising. Blue Ribbon was awarded to the high school in 1990! Over 20 years ago. How come not since then?? Maybe Anne, Lucy, and Kelly could investigate?!

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gene

8:45 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Whoooooa! Not accountable, settle down! Is there a point you're trying to make in between all the bashing of everyone here?

Frankly I'm sick of hearing about Hatikvah.

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Gideon

11:28 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

gene, I believe this post contains no bashing and the point is well made.

Not accountable?

6:07 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

In East Brunswick, the top 16 employees at the BOE office make a combined $2,103,887 a year plus vacation, medical, benefits, pension, etc. That's an average of $131,493 per person. Education is a very nice profession, but it is also a good business. So when you put forth a claim that not enough money is reaching the kids, you must consider how many dollars go to administration, employee benefits, facility costs, energy, debt, capital improvements, insurance, transportation, IT costs, replacement of old equipment...all this adds up to 60% or more of the budget.

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Not accountable?

6:09 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

"The real financial problem in town is due to the fact that about 10 years ago the BOE went on a spending spree and bonded millions and millions to build and expand the schools in town. But in 2004 the school population was 8,300. Today is it around 7,300. So the district is hemorrhaging YOUR tax money every year to house 1,000 empty desks while maintaining huge expensive facilities way above their means. In the 1980's they had this problem and as a result CLOSED Irwin School. Hatikvah's building is not being bonded by referendum and is not paid with taxpayer money."

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Jim Johnson

6:27 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Anne, my post stated 7 grade not 7 year old. And it is facts. A 7th grader in Hammarskjold was caught trying to hook kids on cocaine and while distributing was finally reported because a strong kid stood up and did the right thing. He was suspended for a mere 3days and nothing was said as to not tarnish our "excellent schools". See "Anne" you just proved that reading is fundamental, where did you fail?.
George, you are correct. I also VOLUNTEER as a coach for 9 years in fastbreak. Was on the PTA in memorial for 5 years ending as president before running the school store last year in the present school my children attend. So what point is what? Do I not have a say because we actually volunteer in our schools. I even coached 2 teams last year because no parents would step up and I didn't want to see 20 kids miss out on fun. Shame on me for trying to have a say in this forum where most don't seem to have any other interest but their own. I applaud those that will put there names here and for the positive intellectual comments. What is there to hide? Were all residents in this friendly town right? Done here, I like factual debates not those that try to smear a fear monger. Next I'll be called a racist because I don't agree. Going to enjoy my family friday night which "Anne" "Kelly" and "George" should be doing instead of festering in their anger. Good night folks! God Bless.

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Not accountable?

6:29 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Dear Lucy, just who is bullying who?

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Not accountable?

7:30 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Hey Kelly, who's attacking the BOE? What's wrong with putting some facts up on this board? I don't see why you feel its ok to viciously attack Hatikvah all day long while parents are writing about the wonderful school you want to take away from them and their children. You don't like it when the tables are turned? I don't see you praising the board of Ed anywhere! Unless of course it includes a criticism of Hatikvah.

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Not accountable?

7:36 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Distasteful and reckless speaking of our public schools in a manner other than abundance of love and pleasure? Aren't you the same Kelly that posted 5 Lexington is a superfund site (wholly inaccurate) without taking a single second to pause and think that there are people within feet of that building in houses who don't appreciate you making up such statements affecting there property values.

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JodYE

9:57 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I believe the correct term is "Hazardous Waste Site."

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Stephen

7:58 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I caution you with that statement as some of the existing schools in east brunswick have been the subject of environmental cleanups in the past.

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JodYE

8:27 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Stephen, so has 5 lexington already been remediated or would the clean-up be going on while the children are next door?

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Gideon

11:12 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

@Kevin: you may (and I suspect you will) discover that your guess on the advice of the township attorney to the council is completely off the mark. I have a sense that the council will regret their decision (and some already do). I suggest you speak to a land use attorney before posting your comments, because they are ill-informed. Hatikvah will win the appeal and I would not be surprised if the township will be subjected to damages payments.

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Not accountable?

11:21 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Remediation was complete about 20 years ago.

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JodYE

1:02 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Not accountable, it was put on the state list for hazardous waste sites in the last decade and a half. I think you've got your facts wrong or you are just making things up.

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Not accountable?

4:25 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Jodye (which there are 3 different profiles for you):

The 5 Lexington property received a No Further Action letter from the DEP on 12/9/92. Which is 20 years ago, as stated in my prior post. Since I have seen this documentation down at town hall, I would like to know what facts you are relying on to assert that it was just added to "a list" within the last decade.

Additionally, I was given a look at the resolution of approval from the EB zoning board of adjustment granting the owner permission to use the property for medical offices. Due to its proximity to Cornwall Drive and the other offices on Cranbury Road, this seems like a good idea for the owner. I kindly ask that you stop posting wholly inaccurate statements which are affecting some of the property owners on Morgan Place (directly across the street from 5 Lexington). Thank you.

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7:54 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

All in all it is a shame that people like debbie, kelly, anne, Deborah, Anne, Lucy, debbie morris, and all of there other alter egos are probably the same characters that have now gotten the town in a legal mess. If they had to pay the legal bills maybe they would have chosen to focus their energy elsewhere. Two public entities are now going to court. Which taxpayers are getting pick pocketed now? Can't wait to see the list of programs cut out of the municipal budget next year to pay for the fine work of 2 people in a town of 45,000+.

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george

9:15 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

If the school moved into this site the township could lose 80k in rateables, no?. Not to mention the other industrial companies back there will eventual suffer and possibly leave. So, why are you so concerned about peanuts that will be spent defending the town from a frivolous lawsuit brought by the school over their sour grapes? Just think, if the school did things right and garnered community support from the beginning, we might not be here at all.

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Kevin Wyman

7:49 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Hmm...I think the EB town attorney probably advised the council that they will win this lawsuit, (probably had some influence on the unanimous decision to overturn the variance because our recent town council has shown themselves to be fiscally responsible (among lowest tax increases in state)). Of course, if he wants to continue to be the town's attorney, he probably tries to give his best advice at all times. That being said, if town wins, doesn't the plaintiff pay the town's legal fees? Isn't part of the cost for the town's attorney already paid anyway in order to retain him/her as the town attorney? (can someone answer these questions for me?) For my tax money, some principles of local government control are more important to defend than squabbling over legal fees.
Eisenreich and Steinhardt Foundations don't care...legal fees are peanuts to them. In the end, the legal fees divided amongst the 48,000 residents of EB also end up being peanuts for each resident as well...a trip to the snack food machine...certainly less than a cup of coffee at Starbucks..

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Stephen

8:04 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Peanuts or not, it is going to result in a budget cut somewhere else.

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JodYE

8:32 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I disagree, Stephen. Why are you so concerned about the cost of the school's lawsuit, but not the cost of losing 80k in rateables, as pointed out above? That's a reoccurring loss of 80k, not a one-time minimal outlay for defending our township.

Also, you never answered my question above about whether the school was also being sued by another business in town.

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Not accountable?

11:04 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

The point is that development in a town is always a net loss with regard to revenue. Njfuture.org has studied this for decades. More development means more roads and infrastructure which long term costs always necessitate bonding and borrowing, especially after year 50. If you construct 10 homes in town which results in 20 school children, the town will realize a net loss every year of at least $202,000 assuming it costs $14,000 to educate one student and the taxable value of a house is $12,000. Keep in mind, only 65% of the $12,000 goes to the school budget.

Any location in the town that this school moves to will result in a non-taxable property. This is why it is illegal for land use boards to debate tax implications. Otherwise no town would every permit more houses.

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Gideon

11:18 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Jodye - the building has ALREADY been purchased by a non-profit (its been months).

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Gideon

11:23 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

George: please see Kelly's comments above. Her goal is to close the school. Would you agree that working with people who want to wipe out your existence is a waste of time? At least she and Suzanne or Anne [i forget] is honest about their motives.

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JodYE

1:06 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Gideon, I think you have confused 5 lexington with 7 lexington which was purchased for the school.

According to the real estate agent 5 lexington is still for sale. Call the Realtor to verify. Some Hatikvah people have been on here trying to say its been purchased to be turned into a medical facility and has already been approved by the zoning board, but it is a COMPLETE LIE. The school is so desperate that it makes up stories. Call the town's engineering department or the realtor's office.

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8:18 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

You girls can stay up all night and all weekend posting replies, including your hatred of the school and blind love for the BOE in an attempt to sway the readers. But the fact that remains is that voters will remember how you chose to spend their money. And you can rest assured that your assistance in getting these boneheads out of office is greatly appreciated.

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Lucy

8:37 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Steven, you make a good point. I am wondering, what about the valid concern that if the school in fact ends up there, will that affect future industry from being able to move in? Many feel are afraid that if a business that was zoned to be there tries to buy or rent the response will be "but what about the kids playing there?", etc. You have acknowledged that EB will be losing 80k a year of lost revenue already by the school moving into that building (regarldess of municipal law that is still the reality). Seems kind of silly to be calling all of the lawsuits a frivolous waste of rhe town's money while not batting a eye at costing the town that annual income. What are your thoughts?

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Not accountable?

11:17 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

This is a concern that is not able to be considered by a zoning board. Why? Because no one can predict the future. Zoning ordinances are constantly changing and you cannot predict if an industrial tenant will move and the building owner decides to change the building to another use or whatever the market demands. Similarly, you cannot tell a judge that you bought your house only because behind you was a big open field that last week got plowed over for a housing development. You don't own that view and towns do not have a crystal ball. The Lexington avenue location is not a desirable industrial area. Cotters lane, 522 in S Brunswick, heller park in Edison, and raritan center are where industry is drawn to. The owner of 5 Lexington had a change to all medical approved. These are the market forces at work. If there were such "safety" issues over there, why did the township police department approve the project?

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Gideon

11:26 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Lucy - the building has already been purchased by non-profit. Ms. Cornavaca and Ms. Rampolla already brought that point up at the zoning board meeting. The board explained that tax implications are NOT ALLOWED UNDER LAW to be considered in a zoning board meeting.

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Not accountable?

5:53 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Gideon - don't bother reiterating that to Lucy. She doesn't care. I'm sure she knows as much about New Jersey Land Use Law as Martha Stewart knows about rocket science.

...and the town council members apparently know even less!

Jack

10:39 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Michael Hill Goldstein, if Steinhardt is so concerned about education, why wouldn't he open a school in say Camden or some other district where students could probably really use a safer alternative, instead of opening them in a district like East Brunswick where children already have a viable option? Why does he only open schools in Jewish communities?

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Gideon

11:13 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Jack - please see Michael's comment above.

Jack

12:58 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Yes, Gideon, that is where my question emanates from. With all the areas of Harlem where parents could really use an escape from failing schools, Steinhardt chose a predominantly Jewish neighborhood where there is already many offerings of charter schools. Hence, the segregation that has occurred there among the charter and traditional schools. He did the same in Brooklyn where he opened up a school for his daughter to run. So again, why East Brunswick, instead of Camden or Paterson?

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Not accountable?

5:38 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

This post SERIOUSLY undermines those writers who INSIST everyone except them are spreading lies (i.e. Anne, debbie, Lucy, jodye, kelly, Deborah, etc.) This posting puts this issue to rest. Unless Jodye wants to say that the Clerk of the Township of East Brunswick is a liar too.

TOWNSHIP OF EAST BRUNSWICK

NOTICE
East Brunswick Residents
The following actions were taken by the Planning Board of the Township of East Brunswick at a public hearing held on July 15, 2009:
Application #09-10V - Frieman Realty - 5 Lexington Avenue - proposed site plan with bulk variance for a 91,252 square foot three story office building with parking deck at 5 Lexington Avenue on Block 322.05, Lot 3 in the P-I, Planned Industrial Zone. -
WAS ADOPTED
All resolutions are on file in the Office of the Planning Board, Department of Planning & Engineering, 1 Civic Center Drive, East Brunswick, N.J.
($12.76) 994961

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JodYE

10:30 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Above, you say, "The owner of 5 Lexington had a change to all medical approved."
You also said, "I was given a look at the resolution of approval from the EB zoning board of adjustment granting the owner permission to use the property for medical offices."

Now, you tell us it didn't even go before the zoning board, it actually went before the planning board.

And, why did it go before the planning board and not the zoning board? Because it was applying for a site plan and bulk variance approval. Not a USE variance.

You concocted this scenario where the zoning board gave a permission for this use, as if to say so why wouldn't they also approve a school.

Now, you are trying to use a planning board approval of a site plan and bulk variance, NOT a use variance, to support your claim. It only proves you've made up this scenario where a governing body approved this use for the building.

And, by the way, even if you were correct about this, having a building on the very end of the industrial park used for a medical facility, hardly means a further in warehouse with a neighboring industrial company should be used a school.

Not accountable?

5:40 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

TOWNSHIP OF EAST BRUNSWICK

PUBLIC NOTICE
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 at 8:00 pm, the Planning Board of the Township of East Brunswick will hold a public hearing on the application of 311-79th Street Corp. The public hearing will be held at the Municipal Complex, 1 Jean Walling Civic Center Drive, East Brunswick, New Jersey. The premises which is the subject of the application is located at 5 Lexington Avenue, East Brunswick, New Jersey and is located in the PT Zone. Said premises is also known as Block 322,05, Lot 3 on the Tax Map of East Brunswick Township.
The application is for Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan Approval to permit conversion of existing warehouse space into OFFICE SPACE...

The application for development and all supporting maps, site plans and documents are on file in the office of the Department of Planning and Engineering and are available for public inspection, Monday through Friday, during normal business hours. Any interested party may appear at the aforesaid hearing, either in person, or by their attorney, and be given an opportunity to be beard with respect to the aforesaid application.
/s/ Evan N. Pickus, Esq.
Pickus & Landsberg
Attorneys for Applicant
949147

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Anne

12:41 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013

Will Hatikvah supporters finally stop spreading rumors about how 5 lexington is going to be transformed into a medical building? This was four years ago and the developer has since decided to put the building up for sale.

Lucy

6:09 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

"Not accountable" I would like you to look at this thread and tell me exaclty what "lies" i am spreading. I complimented steven and asked for his thoughts on something. The fact that you are lumping me in with others demonstrates everyones case in point---whoever is not a supporter is bullied, insulted, and called a liar. You are a dispicable and reprehensible person. It is exactly people like you that have given hatikvah a bad name. Keep up the good work!

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Not accountable?

8:18 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Forgive my tone, but frustration is difficult to swallow with this. Once again you are not reading what the writers say, just typing away your hate all day long. What I wrote was that YOU have continually ACCUSED everyone else (e.g. Hatikvah supporters) of spreading lies about the school in order to sway readers. I did not say that you were spreading lies.

As far as your opinion of me - just who's bullying who on this board?? This is a legally approved school that has been in existence for 3 years and not going anywhere.

FYI, when you attack parents regarding their children and the quality education they are receiving, which is far superior than the other township schools, they will and do take it personally. If you came onto this board saying that you visited the school a couple of times, checked out the curriculum, and presented anything other than hate, maybe people would not write you off as a raving BOE-loving lunatic.

Joe R

10:36 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I would like to know the percentage of special needs kids and English language learner children there are in the charter school as compared to the regular public school. Do they counsel out the behavior problems or the kids who lower their test scores? That does happen at many charter schools.

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Sara Mathews

8:37 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Everyone saying things like this school provides less with more money, should I assume your kids go here? how do you know this twisted fact? Pls stop commenting on things that you have no experience of. If anyone here who sent their kid to this school & is unhappy, I would love to read their comment. And to those who are saying we shouldn't have had this school in EB, pls wake up, its old argument. The Supreme Court has already given the decision so stop. And about our tax money spent in EB, really? I have lived here for more than 10yrs & have never had any choice on how my tax money is spent so why a sudden outburst?Many parents are happy because EB schools started full time KG program, well why wasn't it available before Hatikvah?I send my kids to this school & love the way they teach here & there is no religious teaching or i wouldnt have sent my kids here as i am not jewish. Oh & those who have a problem with Hebrew,why did you complain when they took out foreign language from primary school? Or is Spanish/French an acceptable language but not Hebrew? To those who are complaining about their tax money, how was it fair when I lived here for so long and paid highest taxes & yet had no kids for long time in public school? Its just when your tax money is concerned you shout is it? Is it fair that people who have 6 kids may pay similar school tax to those who only have one or None? First look at our base tax system before complaining about something that's legal & valid.

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Staci

11:14 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Sara, don't you live in Edison?

Proud Parent

9:25 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Thank you Sara, one of the few people who is giving facts. I am a proud parent of Hatikvah & find it great for my kid. But that doesn't mean I will talk badly about other schools in EB because I have no experience. Similarly all the people here who don't have kids in this school should stop commenting as your comments are baseless. I am not Jewish either but find the teachers are great & thats whats making me choose this school. My kid is thriving in it. Tax money issues are also not valid as I haven't seen any choices given to me on how the town would use my money. Every year a new tree is planted in front of my house & an absolutely healthy tree is taken away, when I called the township about this, they said I do not have a say over this, so what's the point. I will stay here till I can & move if the opportunity offers. I have friends who live in Monroe & are happy about their schools & have friends who live in EB who are unhappy so I personally do not base my decision solely on blue ribbon & yes we are not really ranking high at the moment which is a fact for everyone to know if you search online. So pls stop the bashing & if you have doubts/questions, come & visit the school & then write about it. We have a Principal whom you can talk to directly, who listens to parents suggestions & knows the kids in our school & guides them personally. These are some of the reasons why I am sending my kid to this school. Hope you can understand that & not just judge me automatically.

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Anne

9:18 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I've been to the school. I have spoken to the principal and numerous teachers. I have found this school to lie on numerous occasions, including making comparisons to teaching methods they claim are used in the public schools but actually are not. You are absolutely right that people should see for themselves. Perhaps that would curb the school's use of deception tactics in speaking with prospective parents.

Reuben Runyon

10:09 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I work in education and have taught elementary school in four districts in NJ. My kids go to Hatikvah.
A few people have questioned why people who are not Jewish would send their kids to a Hebrew Language School. It goes beyond the Hebrew language, really. To me, it doesn’t matter if it’s Hebrew. It’s obvious that Mandarin, Spanish or most any other language would be more practical. But the benefits of learning any language at a young age go far beyond being able to converse in that given language. Research clearly shows that learning a language at an early age is beneficial to the developing brain. Learning a language in an immersion environment, one where students engage with teachers only in Hebrew for nearly two hours a day, greatly increases the rate of learning. My kids come home with new words every day. They sing songs and are beginning to put together sentences. Compare this to the 45 minutes a week Spanish instruction kids get in the regular schools.
Research also shows that learning a third language is easier than learning a second. So if a Hatikvah kid wants to learn a “more practical” language later in life, they’re in great shape.

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george

11:18 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Which math curriculum did you teach that you are comparing to Hatikvah's?

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Stephanie Scott

9:34 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Reuben, you taught in four districts in NJ? That's unique. Did you obtain tenure all four times? And you spent time working in Isreal? And, now you have elementary school age children? I suspect this is a made up story. And, its very peculiar that all three of these characters all resurrected this article last night to post similar opinions within an hour of each other.

Reuben Runyon

10:10 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Can Hebrew be taught in a secular way, completely separate from any religious connection? Yes.
I worked on a farm in Israel for a year. I worked with Brazilians, Japanese, Russians, Brits, Danes and none of us were there for religious reasons. We were travelers interested in meeting people of other cultures and different backgrounds. Some of us took Hebrew language classes, and we all learned some just by working in the immersive environment, side by side with native speakers.
Hatikvah’s International Baccalaureate curriculum follows a similar ideal. Kids of all backgrounds learn together in a place where respect for cultural differences and values is a central pillar of the teaching model.

Also, Hatikvah’s inquiry based math curriculum appears to as effective as any I’ve taught with in mainstream schools. Expectations of student achievement is higher there. My kids are challenged more than they have been before and are being driven to rise to that challenge in a supportive and dynamic environment.

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Grace

12:09 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Yes, but to clarify Hatikvah is not authorized to use International Baccalaureate curriculum, though it has created something similar.

Reuben Runyon

10:10 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Some have asked why we aren't focusing our efforts on improving the regular public schools. Making these kinds of changes in the regular public schools is an enormous undertaking. East Brunswick Schools are following the 'best practices' models that are being adopted by districts around the country. I have no doubt that these models are better than what most of us got in public schools as kids. Research-based practices are improving all of our schools.
But as districts begin to all follow the same paths and pick and choose which parts of which models to follow, compromises are made. By the time curricula are handed down to teachers, many of whom are not invited to participate in the process of selecting the plans, they are watered down. Teachers, feeling constant pressure from administration, parents, communities and the larger society, can get cynical. Forced to teach everything and to ensure students make “adequate yearly progress” in all areas, many teach to the middle, making it difficult for most students to make exemplary progress.

The teachers at Hatikvah are fully involved in the development of curriculum. They are invested in its full success and they teach it with a passion because they deeply believe that the way they are teaching their students will enable all kids to grow. Their energy and enthusiasm is remarkable, and is communicated to their students.
That's why I send my kids there.

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Joe R

11:04 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

The real public schools have an obligation to teach all the children not a select fractional few. The real public schools teach special needs children, chilldren with disabilities and children who are English learners while the charter school has none or a very minimal amount of these challenges.

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XIAOCHONG

9:26 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

If so many of you in Edison are displeased with the public school options, why doesn't Hatikvah just move to Edison?

Reuben Runyon

11:14 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

All schools share that obligation. Hatikvah has a similar proportion of students classified with learning disabilities as the general school population.

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george

11:20 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

What percentage would that be? Also, what are the percentages for low incidence, high severity compared to the "general population"?

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Favorite Teacher

9:07 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

You ask why there are fewer special ed, ell students- folks, a charter must use a lottery system if enrollment applicants outnumber available seats and it is not legal to ask a parent if their child is in special ed/ell/low income on a charter student application. also- special ed parents are overwhelmed with the day to day struggles inherent in raising special needs kids, and may not have the time to research alternative schools, hoping that the traditional public school may be able to help their child, which sadly, does not always happen.

Reuben Runyon

11:34 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I know that I've spoken to a number of hatikvah parents who are very happy with the services provided to their kids with special needs. Any parent with kids of any type of disabilities is free to bring their kids to the school they feel best suits their specific needs.

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george

11:37 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I guess you didn't speak to Tacy Flora about her child being taped without parental consent and left in a bathroom?

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Deborah Cornavaca

11:55 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Unfortunately that is not the case. A child who is hearing impaired and wears a hearing aid was told by the school that the school could not accommodate his special needs. And according to the NJDOE school report card, the attendance of special Ed students at hatikvah is much lower than in the rest of the school system, and to my knowledge no severely disabled students are there. Hatikvah may be a great school for those that attend, but as is the case with most charter/traditional public school comparisons of demographics, it is a stark difference of apples to oranges. This is a systemic problem, not unique to this school, and there is pending legislation that would provide remedy to this inequity.

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Favorite Teacher

9:16 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Actually, charters do take special needs kids, but the most severely challenged students are usually placed in outside facilities, such as Bancroft, St John of God, Voorhees Pediatric, Yale Schools, etc. since even traditional schools can not adequately meet their needs. Students needs must come first, not % of students or "quotas". If you people have a child with special needs then you may be able to understand the incredible stress parents have to deal with in TRYING to get an appropriate education, We need options for our kids rather than a public school system that lets many many many special ed kids fall through the cracks, limiting their future success. If the government told you you could only buy a chevy and you wanted a Ford would you accept that? Isn't school more important? Choice is good.

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Favorite Teacher

11:43 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

@Deborah: regarding "to my knowledge no severely disabled students are there"
What is more important is the state's effort to not pay for the education of the most vulnerable learners. After 40k, the state is supposed to kick in 90%...
"Among the things that the commissioner is suggesting would be to raise by $5,000 the spending thresholds that trigger additional aid. For instance, the current formula calls for the state to pay 90 percent of costs exceeding $40,000 for a child educated in his or her home district. Cerf would raise the threshold to $45,000.
The threshold for a child enrolled in a private school outside his or her district would be raised from $55,000 to $60,000. The state would then pick up 75 percent of the costs." ...
"Aptly dubbed “extraordinary aid,” the program called for the state to pay a sizable portion of the costs incurred by children with severe cognitive, physical, and other needs. These commonly can add up to tens of thousands of dollar per child, sometimes topping $100,000."

Just to clarify, this is not a rich person sending their prodigy to a private school, religious or secular.
http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/01/23/revisions-to-extraordinary-aid-program-draw-new-questions/

http://www.njspotlight.com/assets/13/0123/2212
Link to "extraordinry aid" for severely disabled students.

Reuben Runyon

11:44 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

According to the State Biard of Education, 10.4% of Hatikvah students are classified with special needs. Next door at Central, the percentage is 17%.

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george

11:52 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Interesting, Reuben. For someone who's been a teacher in 4 NJ districts, you don't seem to know the difference between the State Board of Ed, and the Department of Education. Based on your numbers here, I can see you looked at the school report cards. That school report card also indicates that Hatikvah had a student mobility rate of 99.0% for that same year. That's quite a few unsatisfied customers. So many that students left, and then the student who filled that seat left, also.

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Reuben Runyon

11:52 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

George- I've taught everyday math, a traditional Scott Forman math program, math investigations, and envision math. All good programs with different strengths.
I know schools and teaching pretty well, if that's what you are wondering. .

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george

11:56 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I think you meant to say Scott Foresman.

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Favorite Teacher

9:24 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

FYI Pearsons, a major supplier of public school textbooks, owner of Scott Foresman, enVision, Prentice Hall etc... has recently bought Connections...a charter chain...that offers ONLINE education options...so you are in fact paying public school taxes to buy textbooks for public schools from a company (in NJ) that supports charters too...oh my!

Proud Parent

11:43 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

To the likes of Anne, so you visited the school & didn't like it, fine. Dont send your kids to this school but stop slandering the school. About lies, be specific, what did they lie about? People said they lied about number of students, guess what Supreme court didn't think so, it proved you all wrong. Then people said they lied about their curriculam, well let me tell you, I am very happy with their curriculam, so you guys are wrong again. Then people said,its a jewish school. Well, my child still follows my religion and let me tell you that there is not one religious aspect taught in school. And its so funny that people who say its jewish school have no kids in this school to prove that fact. Now stop being a liar yourself, just because you do not like this school you are attacking it with vicious comments, not thinking that EB kids attending this school can get affected. You know,you will lose another court battle soon, then lets see what else you come up with. I already said, those who are not sending their kids to this school, stop talking about it, its like a person who never swam in his life, talking about swimming techniques. You have a choice not to send your kids here, just like I have a choice to send my kids here. And let me tell you, even I visited other public school my kid would have gone to, didn't like it,doesn't mean I can start slandering it on a public forum. All those who do not like this school, do not send you kids here but pls don't tell us what to do.

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Leon

3:08 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

SCHOOL CHOICE = THE NEW JIM CROW

Janet Gillmore

12:02 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Well said, Proud Parent! I only hear amazing things about the charter school, and the exceptional education that the kids receive. I'm quite sure that the vast majority of the town is behind you and have no doubt that these few ignorant attackers will lose again in court. Keep it up!!

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Sara Mathews

12:02 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Wow, Staci now you are going to tell me, where I live? Inspite of me saying clearly I live in EB? Are you paying my mortgage or have you bought a house on my name in Edison, that I do not know about? Pls share...would love to have an extra house. This is how people against this school talk. Without any fact. They come to school with a prejudice and then just say the school is bad, they lied. They talk about their curriculam without ever seeing it for themselves and how our kids are thriving on it. We had few EB residents who falsely gave their kids names to enroll & then pulled out last minute to show that enrollment is not full, guess what whenever you do such despicable things, it never works out. And this school opened just as they said it would. We could see the frustration of people involved in getting this school started but all they kept saying was, wish they truly would put their kid here and take them out next year if they truly didn't like whats being taught here. They never once said bad things about these people. I like that in a school, these days when people are quick to point a finger, I am happy I met some nice people. I personally met one such Mum who had enrolled & used to tell us all how nice other schools in EB were.If you find anything that is not great then instead of giving suggestions on how to improve you will attack,thats how people are these days but are other EB schools perfect? Do u know this school is open to constructive suggestions? Guess not.

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Sara Mathews

12:13 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

There are some vaid points some mature thinkers here who put their points forward without being malicious, I would love to see you at the school & give suggestions on how we can improve this school. You will find it refreshing that even one individual can have a say here which you will not see in other EB public schools. I can give you an example, I read about a great activity to teach children how bullying affects kids. I forwarded the email to the Principal (yes, we can directly contact her) & she responded back immidiately. The teachers loved it too and it was used in school the week after as an activity. Can you have that kind of a one on one relationship with your school Principal? I went to another public school in EB when it was time to enroll my second kid & wanted to talk to the Principal. I was told they will call me when the appointment is schedulled, waited for two weeks & never got that call. These might be small things for someone but I like to know that when needed I can talk to the Principal, I myself learnt in a small school & loved the close community feeling we kids got. So this feels right to me, doesn't mean I can tell you what to do. You make your own decisions but while talking on a public forum, can we at least be civil & mature & actually show some respect to those who like this school for whatever reason, instead of judging them? Thats all I ask.

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Lisa Paganos

2:54 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I absolutely do have that relationship with my child's teachers and principal. I'll have to disagree with your assessment of the public schools. I volunteer in the school regularly and have always been welcomed as a participant in my child's public school education.

It does not sounds like you have any experience with our public schools, yet you feel compelled to compare the two. I find that quite telling.

Also, the correct word is "learned," not "learnt."

Janet Gillmore

12:31 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Please do not pay too much attention to that, Sara. "Staci", "Lucy" and many other names are probably only 2-3 individuals. If I had to guess - Deborah Cornavaca, Christine Rampolla and one of their dear friends from the school board. They just keep changing their names in order to show more support.

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Janet Gillmore

12:35 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

You have the Deborah Cornavaca who writes under her name and the Deborah Cornavaca who writes under 3-4 other names. Trying to destroy this wonderful school turned into their full time job, since they have nothing better to do. But they are just wasting their precious time.

Janet Gillmore

12:37 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I hope nobody wastes their energy and replies to them. Have a wonderful day!!

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Proud parent1

12:46 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Thanks Janet. I feel bad because I feel like people judge us because we have chosen this school for our kids. It is a nice school & we parents are happy with it. So why can't other people just accept that? You do not have to put your children here but we can put our kids where we want. I have never seen a choice in EB about how my tax dollars are spent. But I never thought how dare they spend my money like this because if I feel that strongly then I have a choice to move out of EB. So how is it any different? All of a sudden people are like dont use my taxpayers money for this school. Well why did you spend our taxpayers money in court battle with this school, knowing you would lose? But I guess thats ok with these people. Again they will spend more money on court battle, and mind you it has my taxpayer money too. Just wish people would embrace change & work towards making things better for all of us than fighting with each other. No one wants to think that if Hatikvah does good, EB ratings can go up again...No, they just want to put us all down. And you claim you care about kids in EB?

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Lisa Paganos

2:57 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

If your concern was really to "work towards making things better for all of us than fighting with each other," where was your effort to improve the schools, rather than creating additional costs for our education tax dollars? It was the creation of this school that spurred competition, so you need to take responsibility for it.

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Louisa Freid

4:31 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Proudparent1, please take a moment to consider this point from a very rational, articulate editorial written about the school. Mr. Pellicane points out, "We do not need more schools in New Jersey. We need to become involved in the schools we have."

http://eb.gmnews.com/news/2011-01-20/Letters/Charter_schools_drain_money_from_successful_distri.html

Janet Gillmore

12:58 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Well, these attackers are simply incapable of building and creating new things, so they resort to spending their energy on trying to destroy, insight and lie about their motives.

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jojo

5:34 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Heyyyyy, Janet. Don't you live next to Manti Teo's girlfriend?

Proud parent1

1:00 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Btw, I am Proud Parent, its my id but got an error so writing under Proud Parent1. I dont have to write under different names to get my point across.

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Janet Gillmore

1:01 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

They will never change so please do not waste your energy, instead focus on spreading the truth about the amazing education which Hatikvah offers.

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Joe R

5:07 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Charter schools drain resources from the regular public schools, they do not educate the same spectrum of students that the regular public schools do, which are left with the more expensive students with bigger needs. Public schools have fixed costs which do not decline when some students leave for a charter school. Why don't the residents get a vote or say whether a charter school will be dumped into their district?

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Janet Gillmore

5:29 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Joe R, since you seem to be so knowledgeable, could you please tell us all what is the total percentage that Hatikvah charter school receives from the entire East Brunswick school budget? Please help us understand by giving us an accurate percentage.

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Janet Gillmore

5:30 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

In other words, is it 5%, 10% or possibly more?

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Just The Facts

6:24 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

EB School District total budget is $131,176,099
$ 1,873,008 goes to charters
That is almost 1.5% of the budget.
Source: http://www.ebnet.org/files/filesystem/2.pdf

While we are now required to send $1,873,008 to charters, there is no corollary savings for the public schools. Most of the costs are fixed and because the students come from five different grades from eight elementary schools, there is no elimination of staff. You're only talking the loss of one or two students missing from various classrooms, unless you pull some students out of their neighborhood schools where some of their siblings go. In fact, we've had fluctuations of 100 students from grade to grade before and there is little to no added expense.

To put it in other words, if tomorrow Hatikvah closed, and every EB student from there started attending the public schools, it would cost the district next to nothing to add those students. And, the roughly Million and a half dollars could restore the programs we lost to afford Hatikvah, or the savings could be passed on to tax payers next year in the form of tax relief.

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Gimme a break already

9:27 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Just the Facts: Please stop posting the same regurgitated story supplied by Christine Rampolla about "if Hatikvah closed, blah blah blah." Did it occur to you that the parents don't want their children in those other schools that are perhaps still teaching the same way they were in 1950?

There were no programs "lost" to fund Hatikvah. That is simply a piece of propaganda that you have fallen for. Did it occur to you that maybe the increase in building maintenance costs forced cuts? Or insurance increases resulted in less programs? How about 750 tax appeals resulting in less local funding? What about reduced state aid? Suppose the teachers union contract required a 2% raise, that's probably equivalent to 10 times the entire Hatikvah annual budget. I read somewhere that 20% of the teachers in the high school don't teach anything. I'm sure that there is room for cuts then. Go to a board meeting, get educated. This is not rocket science.

And by the way, the money that the town is going to spend on litigation now, thanks to our council members, will absolutely result in a budget cut somewhere next year. Suppose they spend so much on legal fees that they have to eliminate the summer camp program next year - or triple the registration fees. Don't go blaming Hatikvah...

Janet Gillmore

5:38 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I'm still waiting to hear from Joe R regarding charter schools that "drain resources" from regular public schools. Does anyone know the percentage regarding Hatikvah charter school? I thought everyone knows by now, since all the attackers seem to be so knowledgeable.

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Janet Gillmore

5:40 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Deborah Cornavaca, since you seem to be such an "expert", could you please help us with the exact percentage.

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The Real Facts

7:08 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

"Just The Facts" I'm SO glad that you posted this. While it may appear that the school district paid 1.8 million to the charter school, in reality the school district ended up paying slightly more than 1.1 million. The 1.8 figure is what they ALLOCATED but not what they actually spent. Therefore, simple calculation will bring us to 0.8%, less than one percent, yes - LESS THAN ONE PERCENT!!

Now if less than one percent, bought us free full day kindergarten in EB (which I'm sure you will deny), employing dozens of new teachers and staff and providing us with such an amazing school choice - IT IS A BARGAIN! I know you hate competition, and you may find it hard to believe but competition is good for you too. Good night!!

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george

8:11 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Right, because so many families opted not to send their children back to Hatikvah, this year and the charter had to fill its classrooms with out-of-towners. That's why it was less - good old competition!

Joe R

7:32 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Oh, the oft repeated "competition" mantra. Education is supposed to be about cooperation, collaboration and collegiality not a cut throat competition where rivals try to cut each others throats for very limited funds. Charter school zealots go out of their way to slime, degrade and swift boat the regular public schools. They have such a high opinion of themselves, only charter schools are innovative, they have a monoply on innovation (their favorite word) in their own minds; they propagandize to an unsuspecting public. I find this very offensive, we're not talking about manufacturing widgets, we're talking about education. Charter schools are designed and meant to undermine the regular public schools, they are private schools getting public money. Shouldn't the residents get a say whether a charter school is placed in their district or not? The charter school is unaccountable to the duly elected school board, they do not work in cooperation with the regular public schools. It's not a fair competition when the charter schools do not have the same percentage of at risk students.

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Roy G

7:42 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Funny!! You stated "Not fair competition". If so, why not cooperate and collaborate as you suggested in the beginning of your post? There is really no reason to become so defensive. I really do not think I should try and explain anything to you since you are obviously very defensive. I suggest you attend a charter school since it will help you become less angry and more tolerant :) I think I will say good night to you now, so feel free to have the last word, I'm sure it will be full of facts.

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Gimme a break already

9:14 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

How could Hatikvah work in cooperation with a school board that chooses to sue them and smear their name at every opportunity. I guarantee if Hatikvah extended an invitation to sit down with the school board the BOE would say absolutely not.

The "programs" cut in order to "fund" Hatikvah is total nonsense. If the BOE didn't go on a spending orgy building and expanding schools where there are a total of 1,000 empty desks right now they wouldn't be spending $10M per year on debt payments. The naysayers should encourage the school board to secure more outside funding aside from tax revenues. But they are unmotivated and unaccountable. Easier to just whine and point fingers.

The post above with the link to the budget facts is pathetic. So much "important" waste was left out of that slide show. Reminds me of the powerpoint slides they assembled telling everyone why it was better to spend $20 million to build a completely new Memorial School since the building was "old" and apparently not one square inch of it could be salvaged. The taxpayers got pick pocketed. Admit it.

The BOE would complain if 100% of Hatikvah's students were in-town. And they would complain equally as loud if 0% were from in-town and they didn't pay a dime. The fact remains is that I would guess less than 1% of this entire town actually knows what goes on at the BOE other than the nonsense they print about their money problems blaming everyone but themselves.

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Karl

2:44 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

re: the complaint that Hatikvah "had to fill" up seats with out-of-town students..... Does that also apply to the EB BOE hav

Roy G

7:32 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Thank you so much for presenting the facts, The Real Facts. This is quite helpful! I cannot believe that all of this negative energy and tax payers money was spent over less than 1% of their budget. Simply Unbelievable! On second thought, you are probably right, this is not over the less than 1%, this whole thing is about fear of competition. I mean you cannot blame them, now they will need to be accountable and do some real work, and hopefully stop wasting their energy trying on trying destroy their competition.

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george

8:13 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Speaking of accountability, where is all of Hatikvah's financial information?

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Gimme a break already

9:29 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

For the readers, there were no programs "lost" to fund Hatikvah. That is simply a piece of propaganda that you have fallen for. Did it occur to you that maybe the increase in building maintenance costs forced cuts? Or insurance increases resulted in less programs? How about 750 tax appeals resulting in less local funding? What about reduced state aid? Suppose the teachers union contract required a 2% raise, that's probably equivalent to 10 times the entire Hatikvah annual budget. I read somewhere that 20% of the teachers in the high school don't teach anything. I'm sure that there is room for cuts then. Go to a board meeting, get educated. This is not rocket science.

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Jeneane

3:53 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

"Gimme" (yes great name for you, Gimme), we do not wish to pay for a ninth elementary school, with all the additional costs that come with a ninth school, like another administrator, another nurse, another custodian, another electrical bill, another security officer. We don't need it and we don't want to pay for it. You can use the word "propaganda" all you want, but it is not needed and we do not want to pay for it. If this school went away, we could put those tax dollars to good use for ALL students in town, not just a hundred of them.

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Cathy K

4:07 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Hey Jeneane, why not consolidate those 8 underutilized elementary schools into 7 and open up a Performing Arts Charter School in the 8th? I saw that in another post. That would be a step towards the 21st century for the district and I bet the rent they collect would be a significant amount and the school would probably have a huge waiting list. The BOE has to start doing some work and innovating. Yesterday is over.

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Jeneane

4:12 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Now, you're talking, Kathy. Please let me know how I can help you in that endeavour. I think getting rid of Hatikvah and simultaneously working on innovation in our public schools (that are overseen by elected representatives) is a fabulous idea. I would support you in any way I can.

Paul Perry

8:39 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

It is public information like every public school. Stop misleading the public, please.

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george

8:48 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Would you kindly provide me a link?

Kelly

4:59 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I could support that, too, Cathy, as long as that 8th school (performing arts or music or language immersion) was a traditional public school and not a charter.

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Jay Roll

7:53 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Shocking Kelly. You would support anything but a charter school. This is hilarious!

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jay nemeth

9:38 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

this is interesting! I heard the exact same thing about her!

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Karl

2:48 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

re: the complaint that Hatikvah "had to fill" up seats with out-of-town students..... Does that also apply to the EB BOE having out-of-town employees?

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Don S.

12:40 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Hatikvah's Property Owner Sues East Brunswick Township Council for Illegal Collusion, Denial of Due Process
Emails Between Council Members and Hatikvah Opponents Demonstrate Pattern of Illicit Coordination Between Parties
The Eisenreich Family Foundation, which owns the property at 7 Lexington Avenue that has been designated as the prospective location for the Hatikvah International Academy Charter School this September, has filed suit against the East Brunswick Township Council for violating its due process and tainting the application process through illegal coordination and illicit conflicts of interest.

In mid-2012, the East Brunswick Zoning Board unanimously voted to allow the Hatikvah school to relocate to a new facility on Lexington Avenue. Subsequent to its decision, East Brunswick residents Deborah Cornavaca and Christine Rampolla, who had long opposed Hatikvah’s existence, appealed the zoning board’s decision to the township council.

The township council, in deciding to take up the appeal, had the duty to act as an impartial judge in the matter. Instead, a pattern of coercion, intimidation and collusion has been revealed throughout the process. Private emails between Council President Michael Hughes and Councilwoman Nancy Pinkin and Cornavaca and Rampolla, obtained under the Open Public Records Act, clearly demonstrate illegal coordination between members of the council and the appellants on the issue of charter schools in general and Hatikvah in particular

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Don S.

12:42 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

In an email to Council President Hughes on January 2009, 2012, Cornavaca requested a meeting for herself and Rampolla “to discuss our work and the ways you and the town council can be supportive” of their anti-charter school advocacy. Hughes replied with potential dates for their get-together.

In a separate email on September 26th to Councilwoman Pinkin, Rampolla provided the councilwoman with anti-charter school materials to review in advance of the council’s decision to review the zoning board law. This coordination directly violates the council’s responsibility to act as an impartial judge and jury on the matter.

At the initial hearing in December, Hughes proceeded to threaten the Eisenreich Foundation with a code violation of the existing Hatikvah school location if the plaintiff did not agree to move the hearing date to the end of January. The bizarre threat did not take into account that Eisenreich had no ownership or relationship with the school’s current property on Cranbury Road

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Don S.

12:43 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

“Despite their responsibility to act impartially in this matter, the record clearly shows that members of the council illegally coordinated and colluded with opponents of the Hatikvah Charter School to overturn a unanimous ruling by their own appointed zoning board,” said Danna Nezaria, President of the Hatikvah International Academy Charter School Board of Trustees. “Instead, the council’s plainly illegal actions have led to yet more waste of taxpayer money, despite the fact that the law is clearly on our side. It’s time for the council to stop playing politics and for East Brunswick taxpayers to demand that their elected officials stop their unethical and blatantly illegal behavior.”

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Don S.

2:42 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

For Immediate Release: Contact: Julie Roginsky
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 (201) 222-8282

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