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POLL: What Should the Council Do With Hatikvah?

The Township Council will continue hearing testimony Monday, at 8 p.m.

 

The Township Council will continue hearing testimony Monday, at 8 p.m., regarding an appeal to a variance granted to the Hatikvah International Academy Charter School.

The variance allows the school to renovate a warehouse into a new school.

In December, the council heard testimony regarding the challenge. At the time, some council members said they are leaning toward asking the Zoning Board of Adjustment to review the variance.

The variance was granted unanimously in July by the Zoning Board of Adjustment and allows the school to renovate a warehouse into a school. The building, 7 Lexington Ave., is located in a planned industrial zone and a variance is needed to open a school in the zone. The warehouse is surrounded by similar warehouses, including Vending Trucks Inc.

On Aug. 20, residents Deborah Cornavaca and Christine Rampolla filed an appeal of the variance, stating, among other reasons, that the variance should not have been granted because “there was a conflict of interest,” and that “the board did not permit a complete record to be made.”

So tell us, should the council uphold the zoning board’s decision; reject it; say there isn’t enough information to make a decision; or send the plan back to the zoning board, telling them that it needs to be looked at again.

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  • What Should the Township Council Do with the Hatikvah Variance Appeal?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Uphold the zoning board’s decision.
        404 (58%)
    • Reject it
        274 (39%)
    • Say there isn’t enough information to make a decision.
        0 (0%)
    • Send the plan back to the zoning board.
        9 (1%)
    Total votes: 687
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Hatikvah and Hatikvah International Academy Charter School

Paying Attention

8:45 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Thanks for offering a forum for public debate about this issue. EBPatch is a community asset.

I suggest that the 2 photos you display are not balanced and, in fact, are misleading. They do not show: 1) the tractor trailer parked on the street in front of the building, tractor trailer trucks passing in front of the school (I saw one passing in front of the school and exiting the industrial zone yesterday during a 10 minute visit to the site), the loading docks at the back of the building, the parking lot where the playground is to be located in proximity to the other tenants, or the interior of the building. The last you couldn't be expected to have access to but all of the others negative features are in plain sight.

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Barbara

9:27 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Yes, and don't forget to show the pictures of the surrounding houses, the church across the street, the children attending sunday school, and 5 Lexington which is approved to be converted into medical offices. Dont forget to mention this is a dead end street which also houses the School of Rock. And those loading docks in the back that are being removed and converted into windows...I'm sure that the architect would love to meet with her to get her input.

Paying Attention has been getting nastier and more accusatory the more she writes. The tractor trailer traffic on this street is probably under 2 per hour. The playground - you mean the one set completely out of view of any building and surrounded by two building walls and a large hill. Oh please, spare us your drama.

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Barbara

9:35 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

The inside of the building? I saw this on the other article:

"you should know that the building was used for the storage of FOOD previously. Do you think that the food, which was sold for public consumption was being stored next to a machine manufacturing hydrochloric acid, which then dumped the acid all over the floor. Please use some rationale here."

Have you been inside the building? Tell us what was in there. Post your findings. I find it hard to believe that a company making FOOD was manufacturing anything hazardous inside.

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Anne

4:25 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Barb, we are talking about a PUBLIC school, not a private church. If you want to send your children to school in an industrial park, pay for it yourself.

By the way, if your sugar daddies are willing to drop millions on start up costs and buildings for you, why must you also hijack all that money from our school budget? Set up an endowment, and stop what you are doing to this town.

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TGIF

4:50 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

At least Anne is honest. She hates the school's existence. So much for a land use case where traffic, planning, engineering, architect professionals testified on the record. Don't forget about the township employed experts who reviewed everything and gave their OK's. Just close the screen now. Everyone have a nice weekend. Go do something with your families.

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voter2

11:42 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

CAMILLE FERRARO and MICHAEL HUGHES...biased Biased BIASED!!

Read this story:

http://eb.gmnews.com/news/2012-03-15/Front_Page/Council_expresses_support_for_state_charter_school.html

How are they expected to vote on the matter? They should be ashamed of themselves. Political pandering up there on the dais this whole time. The public should be aware of exactly who they elected. Two clowns who are going to land this township in a very large, highly visible mess. As a bonus, the article mentions Deborah Cornavaca as well. This whole thing is giant East Brunswick Circus Act. It's all entertaining until the bill has to get paid. I elect that the Cornavaca-Rampolla Fund pay all legal bills. John - can you run another poll please??

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Deborah Cornavaca

11:59 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Voter2 - The request to have local votes over the opening of charter schools would be a way to rectify some of the problems we are experiencing now in this town. Charter schools are public schools, drawing on public dollars and I for one do not think that a commissioner in Trenton should be deciding which charters should open where absent a local vote. I do not see where that shows bias in deciding whether a warehouse location is appropriate for a public school.

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voter2

12:29 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Deborah, the article is clear by the statements from Ferraro and Hughes that they would never allow a charter school into town. Especially given that Hughes was a member of the BOE. So in my opinion, it seems that they want to use this opportunity to play politics so as to intentionally delay and cause harm to a school that has been legally established. I am pretty understanding of both sides of the arguments going on here, but I cannot understand how this article could possible cast them in a light other than one of prejudice towards the school's existence. Even if the funding formula is broken and the commissioner has too much weigh-in, that issue is not the one at hand.

How would you feel if a bunch of politicians had to decide your kids education - after they already settled into a school? Too much outside influence legal or not. Had the new Bong Shop been denied by the planning board (if they went there at all?) I highly doubt they would cast their appeal before a board of politicians - none of which are trained in land use law. At least the planning and zoning board members have to be certified by the state to serve after taking courses taught by professionals. Not the council. This is not a terrible location for a school. If you want to work on the other issues that concern you; transparency, accounting, etc. I'm sure there is a way to do so with them.

http://cgs.rutgers.edu/programs-planning-and-zoning/land-use-board-members

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silly girl

12:36 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

@Voter 2,
Are you saying that if someone disapproves of charter schools, there is bias? But, if someone approves of charter schools, there there is no bias?
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

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Deborah Cornavaca

12:46 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

voter2 - I appreciate your points. I have to respectfully disagree on the reading of the article. Local control does not mean local rejection. It means that a town can vote and the majority will rule. I do not see that the Council members who commented go beyond supporting that position.

I understand the strong feelings of those that feel I am trying to interfere. My decision to appeal was not made lightly and was only made after careful reflection on both my core belief about where schools should be located and on the way that the zoning board meetings were conducted. And finally, the question of whether I felt that that was a good location for my children to go to school.

If there had been community discussion and input at the outset, I believe this community would have come together to find the best solution, rather than this sometimes very mean spirited displays as we see here. And there are those comments that were deleted by editors that crossed the lines.

The way the township ordinance is written, appeals go to the council. That is nothing that we created or invented. It is the process of this town and we decided to pursue it. There have been other challenges in this town to decisions made by various governing bodies - rarely have I seen it so contentious, but that is okay. People are invested and that is a good thing. I respect the council's authority given to them in this ordinance as I will respect their decision.

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voter2

12:46 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

No, let me explain. Have you ever been picked for jury duty? They ask you a lot of personal questions to see if you have a pre-disposition to the case. For example, if the case is related to an insurance issue they may ask you about your past experiences with insurance companies and if you ever filed a claim, etc. Now, suppose your house was heavily damaged in Sandy and you received a check for $37.74 from Allstate (as those people in Woodbridge did), then the court would rightfully excuse you since that experience could make you somewhat biased that all insurance companies are crooks and just trying to pay as little as possible.

Hughes and Ferraro have made statements that they want to "rightfully take back control" over charter school placement. That is a negative statement that reveals a pre-disposition against the school. If you think this is still ridiculous, put yourself in the other person's seat and consider who you would want deciding your case.

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silly girl

12:52 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

@voter2, yes, that is precisely what I thought you were saying. And, so my point is that in order for the township to have had a fair zoning board hearing, the zoning board members who are predisposed to liking charter schools or liking this school were biased and should not have voted, then, right? I'm just trying to be consistent with your logic.

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voter2

1:17 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Silly Girl, I do not know of any zoning board members being outspoken supporters of this school - or any other charter school for that matter. All I can refer to is the Sentinel article where elected officials gave statements on their negative views about the current charter school placement process in a town where there is history of the BOE trying to close it down. Your statement, if I understand it correctly, could suggest that the planning board may have been biased to approve the Walmart because the board members may all be customers there and Walmart saves them money? Or conversely, if Walmart put your company out of business you may be inclined to vote no? Are you saying the zoning board only approved the application because they are in love with the school?

Regarding Deborah's suggestion, I do not have much confidence that a township wide public meeting to decide for a location of the school, even though not required by law, would have produced anything other than a couple of BOE lawyers showing up to object to the school moving.

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jordan

9:08 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

THOSE ARE SOME NICE PICTURES UP THERE!

Bob

8:45 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Don't remember who the brainiac was who let them open a school in an industrial area but it isn't a good idea - also if this charter school is so good why hasn' the school board of eb added their program(s) into the East Brunswick School System - STOP WASTING MY PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!

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Barbara

9:41 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

I agree 100%. The BOE has some long explaining to do. From the other boards:

"The real financial problem in town is due to the fact that about 10 years ago the BOE went on a spending spree and bonded millions and millions to build and expand the schools in town. But in 2004 the school population was 8,300. Today is it around 7,300. So the district is hemorrhaging YOUR tax money every year to house 1,000 empty desks while maintaining huge expensive facilities way above their means. In the 1980's they had this problem and as a result CLOSED Irwin School. Hatikvah's building is not being bonded by referendum and is not paid with taxpayer money."

"I re-ran the search for East Brunswick High School and sorted by number of classes taught. I was astounded by the fact that there are actually 37 out of 197 (19%) teachers working there - YES, this does not include any secretaries, cafeteria workers or aides - that are earning a combined $3,084,001 per year plus benefits to teach ZERO students. WOW, that's wonderful for the taxpayers. If I had the time I would run the same report for the entire district to see if 20% of our entire district teaches NO ONE."

"EBHS dropped 50 spots on the NJ list of best high schools. It is now #121. I don't recall a press release from the BOE about this. As a taxpayer I think we are owed some explanation as to why the rankings keep falling and our taxes keep rising. Blue Ribbon was awarded to the high school in 1990! Over 20 years ago"

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Greg

11:50 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Tired of the rambling, 'Charter school drain the tax payer money". Get your facts straight.

Charter School only gets a good return for the tax payer's money. Charter schools are more accountable than the schools administered by School Districts.

Public school has to cut down the programs, because they sent the money to the Charter school, is a nonsense.It only provides healthy competition. Why do you think, they introduced a full day Kinder garden - to compete against Hatikva.

Also, Why do you think in-spite of having many commercial establishments in Route 18, we tax payers are still paying through our nose in East Brunswick? Try approaching the council and ask them how much is sent to the school district. Don't stop there, go and ask the school district, how did they spent your tax money. You will get enlightened....May be you will get angry, seeing the actual money spent towards class room and teachers.

Moreover, charter school brings kids from other districts (yes it is not just East Brunswick kids!!!), hence the other district's money!!.

Objection to have school in 7 Lexington avenue is only motivated gimmicks!!!

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jordan

3:08 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Greg, take a civics lesson. The town council has absolutely ZERO authority over education spending.

Steven

9:18 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Actually EBPS have enhanced their programs due to Hatikvah. A full day kindergarten program has been added which helps students and parents. Hatikvah is an enhancer for the town, has a diverse student body and will add to our property values. All of Hatikvah's parents are happy about the location, the fight over it is just a back door effort to hurt our children and our town.

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jordan

3:09 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Steven, you are a selfish man. What about the 3,000+ public school students who have been harmed by the funding cuts due to Hatikvah. Shame on you!

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Lisa

11:17 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan, I think you misunderstood the comment above. I think the point isn't selfish, but pointing out that healthy competition pushed EB public schools to provide incremental services that enhance education for all the children in the district. I'd say the so-called funding cuts couldn't have been too severe if after decades of half-day kindergarten the school could now afford to extend to a full day kindergarten. So Jordan, this is a time to rejoice, not lament. All is well.

EBMommy

9:18 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

If you are going to make a point that possibly 2 tractor trailers actually drive down Lexington Ave. each day, then maybe we should start counting how many go down Cranbury Road past Central School every day? Should that school be moved? What about Chittick? They are all on main roads with heavy traffic. Lexington Ave is hardly a main road, and has hardly any traffic at all during the day.

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jordan

3:09 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

EBMommy, is that how you parent? Someone else did something bad, so why shouldn't I?

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EBMommy

5:32 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan, my point is that there is almost NO traffic on Lexington Ave. I have been there at all different times throughout the day, and only once seen a truck. The argument that Lexington Ave is too dangerous is ridiculous. It is safer than most other schools in this town. If we were to compare the traffic on Lexington vs. the traffic in front of almost any other school in the district, Lexington would be the safer street.

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Lisa

11:23 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan, I think you need to slow down and read these posts more carefully. This isn't "two wrongs don't make a right." The point is that other EB public schools are located off main roads with truck traffic and the children are fine. Therefore, based on these examples, a school at the Lexington location will be fine as well

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Barbara

9:28 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

this is a database that tracks all industrial buildings in the state. this is another misleading attempt to scare people. there is nothing in the database to state that it is a hazardous waste site. why dont you read all 400+ pages of the environmental testing reports and then present your qualifications to the public so we can determine if you are being honest about your intentions. although it is absolutely clear what they are.

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Steve Schepard

9:50 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Joe, why should the council reject it? There is an another successful children school right next door to Lexington. The school has been active since 2007. If the other school was approved back then and proven safe, why shouldn't the council approve this location for yet another school?

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Lee

10:08 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

hazardous waste site? The zoning board already granted approval to 5 Lexington to convert the entire building into medical offices... this is the building you refer to as a hazardous waste site! not to mention the Church next door.

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Kelly

10:58 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

There is a church down the road - it is not approved for school use. Between Hativah's site and that church is a lunch truck business that performs sheet metal cutting.

Everyone should go see for themselves!!!

countrywoods

9:47 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

again Ms Cornavaca is trying to mislead everyone! she doesn't want to tell everyone who are the neighbors next door to the new site, its not a warehouse it's the Chinese Evangel Mission Church which reside in the next door building safely since December 16, 2007 and Besides the two weekly worship services, ministries of the church also include children and adult Sunday schools, various fellowship groups, retreats, vacation Bible schools and other special events at the location.
I assume she was never at the site at all, you can all open Google maps and see that the next door building is the Church which serves also as a school. did she ever said something agsianst the Chinese Evangel Mission Church?

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David

9:54 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

as Deborah is a member of the council-elected public library board, it is bad politics to attack any house of worship. but to attack a charter school that the BOE had been in litigation with for years. that's a different story. I found this online which you should all read. It explains Councilman Hughes opinion on charter schools. Which I feel is relevant since he is one of the voters on Monday night. Unless he wants to properly recuse himself.

http://eastbrunswick.patch.com/blog_posts/east-brunswick-gets-taken-for-granted-again

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Deborah Cornavaca

6:51 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Countrywoods, you assume incorrectly both about my knowledge of the area and the immediate neighbors of the building in question. Are we really ok with the fact that whether approved for medical offices or not, the federal registry for hazardous waste sites has 5 Lexington Avenue listed? That troubles me for many reasons, including the proximity of school children.

I am not upset by the mischaracterizations of my motives or position, it comes with the willingness to take a public stand on something I believe in. I am troubled that there seems to be complacency about children safety. We do not have the results of most of the testing required for 7 Lexington Avenue (or if we do it is not yet public), and we do know that 5 Lexington is a brownfield site. As a parent, I think we would want to be very sure of the area's safety before making this decision to locate a school there permanently. (Very different from the church which has children there a few hours a week, most often on Sunday by the way, when the vending truck company is closed.)

Other people seemed convinced it is safe, I am not. I respect the opinion of the others as their own that they are entitled to. I should get the same respect. Civil discourse is usually the most productive.

I am not sure what David, below, is implying. I have never attacked a house of worship.

felice ockun

9:53 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

I would like to know more about the tax income the town is now going to lose. Being that schools are tax exempt East Brunswick will be losing all of the money intended to be brought in by that space.

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Barbara

9:57 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Felice, please see the other board:

"Allow me my 2cents since Nona should consider the other facts that have been left out. The Municipal Land Use Law (State Statute) does not recognize taxable concerns when deliberating a land use case. For example, you cannot vote down a residential development because it will result in school age children and hence an increase in the tax burden to educate said children. Similarly, the law does not permit the denial of a variance to a non-profit entity simply because it results in a tax revenue impact. Zoning boards and planning boards do not debate tax implications."

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Kelly

10:58 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Right now Plumrose pays $80K taxes. We will lose that.

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Kelly

11:00 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Barbara,
If the school close tomorrow, the district could absorb all of those children into our eight elementary schools with almost no cost to the district. The 2 Million dollars we are forced to pay to Hatikvah could be given back to residents via property tax relief or we could reinstate the programs we lost due to the charter.

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Barbara

1:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Kelly, I'm genuinely interested. Kindly post a detailed breakdown of the $2,000,000 you mention. If you could do this soon I would appreciate it. I am curious how that figure was calculated.

As far as being "forced to pay to Hatikvah", I think you are misleading the readers.

I pay school taxes. My money is not OWNED by the BOE. If a parent decides to send their child to a charter school then the money goes with the child. While leaving a small percent behind for the BOE to keep. I actually think it's a great deal for the BOE since they are not responsible to build a new school for Hatikvah. As you stated, there are plenty of empty extra seats (1,000 to be exact) in the district right now - and probably could accommodate the in-town residents attending Hatikvah. But given the choice, the parents have obviously decided that they don't want their children in those schools. Did you see the CNN headline yesterday about studies done on dual-language curriculum's? The district should take note of it.

Anyway, had the district been suffering from overcrowding, you would be posting that Hatikvah closing will result in the taxpayers getting the short end of the stick since the BOE would have to construct more classrooms to accommodate them!

Don't forget to post the $2,000,000 breakdown. Thanks!

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Kelly

2:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Barbara,
I wish I could send you a link to the breakdown of how Hatikvah spends our tax dollars, but unlike the other public schools, they don't operate in a transparent manner and their financials are not on their website, nor are they very forthcoming with them.
The best I can provide with you with that has an online link is their financial audit from two years ago. You'll have to adjust those numbers based on current student enrollment: http://www.nj.gov/education/finance/fp/cafr/search/11/6041.pdf
Kelly

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Kelly

2:45 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

On your other point Barbara, you do not seem to understand public education financing. Let me give you a metaphor and see if that helps you.

We currently have several parks. They are available to the whole town. Some use them more, some use them less. We all contribute to them. If one day, 100 people wanted to build their own boutique park that was available only to a 100 people and we had to hand them a portion of the parks and rec budget, based on a formula, we would not be able to go on offering all of our other parks and rec services.

In the case of our schools, thousands of children have had to miss out on programs and services, including elementary foreign language, at the expense of giving 110 East Brunswick children a charter school.

If you are okay with that, you ARE selfish and narrow-minded, and there is no point trying to have a rational discussion with you.

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EB Mommy 3

3:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Dear Kelly,
How did you come up with 2 million dollars?

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EBtalloaks

3:56 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Kelly - The flaw in your park analogy is that you compare the charter school to a "boutique park that was available only to a 100 people." In what way is the charter school available only to a limited number of people? Anyone can attend the school.

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TGIF

3:58 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Regarding Kelly's 2:45 pm comment below...how about this analogy:

There are several parks. They are available to the whole town. Some use them more, some use them less. We all contribute to them. But some have had the same outdated equipment in them for years and yet people see no reason to change anything. So a few parents go and create a new 21st century park with more bells and whistles, modern amenities, and better hours. They pick a location behind a church. The State of New Jersey Parks and Recreation Department approves the park. As a result, the township parks and recreation department tries to have the new park shut down. But that fails and so they come up with a press release that the other parks need desperate repairs that they can’t afford because this new park is drawing a whopping 1% of their budget. When the new park announces it is expanding, a group of loners tries to get the park moved to another town. Politicians get involved which then decide to hold a trial – without ever even visiting the park. It gets out of hand and tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars are spent on legal fees. The new park still has a waiting list.

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EBtalloaks

4:17 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

That is the analogy to end all analogies. Well done, TGIF.

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Coop

4:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

TGIF, except that our old "parks" were already offering those "bells and whistles" to thousands of kids and town for a few hours a day. And, now instead 100 kids get the "bells and whistles" all day, while there's no money left to provide "bells and whistles" to the other thousands of kids who play at the old parks.

And, most parents aren't a) selfish enough to support an inequitable system like that, and b) aren't willing to subject their kids to the unsuitable "park operators" just to get the "bells and whistles."

Isabel Smornoff

9:56 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

That space is not bringing in any money, and has not for quite some time. At the very least, using the building as a school will create jobs.

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Kelly

10:59 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Did you make that up or did the school lie to you. Plumrose was still operating out of there not even a few weeks ago.

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Anne

2:51 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Isabel,
One thing I have found is that the school leadership is very comfortable lying to parents. If they told you this, you have been lied to - AGAIN. If you ask for a copy of the school's sublease for the warehouse, you will see that Plumrose is allowed to keep operating in that facility, even after the school started subletting.

mother of 4

10:04 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

The site is fine drove there checked it out, its a GREAT location. Leave Hatikvah alone let them have a building!!!! The parents of that school LOVE it and approve of the new site why you all have to be troublemakkers and so hateful??? isn't the fact that this school have a diversity of students show something to everybody in the community, THEY JUST WANT A BUILDING!!! you all sound like a bunch of racist people!

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Haidy Abdu

8:46 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Mother of 3
I am 100% agree with the mother of 4, the Lexington location is much safer than current location for the kids and for parents . Cranberry road at the current location very very busy . The charter school has the best program by teaching the kids new languages help them to improve their language IQ capability .

Viktoriya

10:39 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Hatikvah is a great school which will not only bring high quality of education to our children but also enhance the EB scores. Currently Hatikvah is housed in a church, where classrooms have paper walls and our children do not have the same comfort as those in regular schools. What's wrong with giving this great school and our children a building where they can learn comfortably!!! I toured the new facility and as a parent and EB resident I see no problems with having a school there. The ones that are against It should reconsider, all we want is a building for our children where they can learn and flourish.

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jordan

3:11 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Right... a great school... except for the kids they tape without parental consent and leave in a bathroom.

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ChoiceInEducation

4:00 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan - if parents and kids did not like it, they would leave. Why is there a waiting list? You are full of it and grasping at thin air.

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Coop

4:42 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Choice, considering the enormous amount of parents who've tried the school out and decided to pull their kids out, you might want to be careful with that logic. Additionally, if the last year's waiting list tells us anything, those familes most likely live out of town and/or will end up pulling out their children like most of the others. Remind me what the turnover rate at Hatikvah is again....

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ChoiceInEducation

5:51 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Coop - We shall see, right? Hope you enjoy your weekend....

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E-Nonymous

6:53 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

this is why there is a waiting list:
"I believe that a charter school can alleviate the need to pay tuition, which increases every year. Paying tuition for 3 children is a burden on me. Families who want their children to learn Hebrew & Jewish studies but can not afford it, are put in a bad situation. Hatikvah Charter school will let certain families be relieved of the financial pressures of paying private school tuition." source: http://njjewishnews.com/justASC/2009/09/23/nj-approves-hebrew-language-charter-school/#comment-17257

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ChoiceInEducation

7:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

E-Nonymous - The school's waiting list has Christians, Muslims, Asians, Indians, as well as Jews. Please visit the school to get a sense of diversity. The comment from 2009 does not apply.

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zingo

7:22 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Enonymous -
I hope folks do follow your post -- that way they can see it was posted in 2009, before the school was open. There are misconceptions now in 2012 that there is religion at the school, and there were even larger misconceptions 3 years ago. I do believe that many Jewish families did feel that way in the beginning, and then, when they realized Hatikvah meant Hebrew language immersion ONLY, and was in no way religious, they didn't move their children in the end. If you visit the school and look at the diversity in the classrooms-- and by that I mean it as a challenge, GO LOOK - it would be clear in an instant that Hatikvah is NOT a Jewish program. Upsetting as this discussion has become, i took a little comfort in the fact that it was based on money and politics. You are the first person, Enonymous, that made this stink of antisemitism.

September 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

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you are confused, sir

10:24 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Zingo, just because someone does not want their tax dollars paying for religion or even paying for Zionism, that does not make them antisemitic or anti-any other religion. It just means they believe in an appropriate amount of distinction between church and state. It is possible to fully support and promote the study of a religion and still understand there is no place for it in a publicly funded school.

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zingo

10:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

"You are confused sir"-- We agree on that. I also don't want my tax dollars paying for religion or even paying for Zionism - and I agree that wanting that doesn't make anyone antisemitic or anti religion. I also feel very strongly about separation of church and state. That's the point - Hatikvah is none of those things. They are not walking around with Israeli flags and going to march in the Israeli day parade. They are not teaching Talmud. Nor are they teaching the Koran. They educate about all cultures, all countries. Why is the rumor perpetuating that this is a religious school? It's perpetuating because of conversations like this. I'm pretty sure if Hatikvah ever did that, their charter would be at risk. And that half the parents there - non-jewish families - would remove their children. This is not an issue of church and state separation.

Anthony Winston

11:17 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

The Hatikvah School is bringing healthy competition to our Public School System. The public school system in East Brunswick is generally OK for brighter children but could be improved especially for the average child. Both of our two children went to East Brunswick Public schools and had a different experiences. One would certainly have benefited from such a school. The Hatikvah School, thus provides parents with a choices depending on needs

Regarding zoning, the proposed site has not been actively used for a profitable commercial business for a significant period of time. Most recent commercial development has been in other areas of the township, which are actually more suitable. Therefore, the loss of taxes coming from new commercial development is not an issue. Regarding suitability issues, every parent is concerned about safety. The Zoning Board reviewed much evidence showing the area to be safe and suitable. The school will still have to meet all building and safety requirements such as for air quality and for the lack of hazardous waste in the ground.

In the Town Council meeting no real issues were raised. The Town Council should now seek further improvement to all Public schools in East Brunswick so our children get the best education possible.

Karl

12:14 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

This building is appropriate and in a good location. Driving the area it is really clear that there is residential development all around and the few commercial buildings here are quiet. Its not at all like the warehouse space in other parts of town. And if we were so worried as a community about having these activities close to one another what was said when the YMCA build their current building?

And for goodness sake, others have pointed out the issues with other East Brunswick schools and consider too that New Brunswick just build their high school on Route 27 and have a grammar school on Jersey ave.

Stop wasting tax payer money on these mean spirited fights

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EBtalloaks

12:28 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I agree. It's important for East Brunswick residents to recognize that Hatikvah students are currently learning in the back of a church and trailers. For those residents whose children have learned (or are currently learning) in real educational facilities with suitable classrooms, libraries, gyms, and other amenities, please appreciate that we want the same for our children as well.

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jordan

3:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

EBtalloaks, good point - you really want us taxpayers who foot the bill for this school to believe the same people who thought it was a good idea for kids to spend an entire day learning in a trailer, for two whole years? You may be fooled, but we are not!

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EBtalloaks

3:29 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan - All schools need to start somewhere. The charter school took temporary space in the back of a church and then added space where they could find it the next year. The school now has a plan for a suitable and permament facility, and I believe they should be supported in that process.

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ChoiceInEducation

3:46 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan - the trailers were a necessity (just like they are for schools damaged by the Hurricane) when no suitable was available. The board of directors of the school has been working diligently for 2 years to find a suitable home, and now that it has found one, they are being harassed. The motives of the 2 detractors are quite clear. If you don't like the school, location, etc., don't send your kids there. No-one gets zones into it, it's a choice parents make. Let them make it.

Ray

1:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

If your concern is simply tax income, then AGAIN, refer to Steven's clear answer above:
"... Municipal Land Use Law (State Statute) does not recognize taxable concerns when deliberating a land use case. For example, you cannot vote down a residential development because it will result in school age children and hence an increase in the tax burden to educate said children. Similarly, the law does not permit the denial of a variance to a non-profit entity simply because it results in a tax revenue impact. Zoning boards and planning boards do not debate tax implications."

Greg

1:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Kelly ,please get your facts straight.

Karl

1:40 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Felice - taxes apparently are not to be considered. But if they were a proper consideration, what property can you identify that would be appropriate for a school, already zoned for a school and already designated for a non-taxed purpose. I dont think that there are any otherwise the leadership of the Hatikvah school would have gone that route.

it sure seems to me that there is a group of people who will be unhappy with the Hatikvah school no matter what they do or where they go.

If only the people who keep attacking Hatikvah would put their time to enhancing education as opposing those who are providing it we would be better off.

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Coop

4:47 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Karl, you assume that the school leadership has control over this. They are not paying for it. As someone pointed out, they are beholden to putting the school wherever their sugar-daddies decide is a good real estate investment. In fact, if you follow along, most decisions leadership makes is shaped by Eli Schapp who conveniently works for the Steinhardt Foundation full-time.

abc

1:40 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Hatikvah is an amazing school, with quality programming for children. It should be up to the parents of those children to decide if the building will be suitable for their child. As parents our job is to decide what is best for our children. Since the board already approved the building, why don't we let the school operate as a school, as appose to attaching Hatikvah,

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Deborah Cornavaca

2:39 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

abc - I must disagree. This is a public school - a fact conveniently left behind by the school supporters when it comes to soliciting community input, but always remembered when collecting tax dollars. you cannot have it both ways. Mr. Sachs asked in his brief for the same protections afforded all public schools for Hatikvah, then I think it fair the school follows the same guidelines - for example the Federal EPA guidelines for school site selection that specifically says applies to charter schools - and which Hatikvah did not follow. It is not just up to Hatikvah parents. It is a community issue as a public school.

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EBMommy

6:08 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Better yet, leave it up to the professionals like the zoning board and all the professionals brought in to evaluate the area and building. Oh, yeah they already did decide that it is a suitable location. It is the 'opinions' of Ms. Cornavaca and Ms. Rampolla who 'think' that this location is unsuitable.

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you are confused, sir

10:27 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

EBMommy, our zoning ordinance, similar to most towns, is made up of laypersons representing the town. It is specifically NOT made up by land use professionals. How can you be so comfortable spouting off about something you clearly know nothing of?

Stacy

2:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

It bothers me that someone is being paid a full time salary where her only job responsibility is to find ways to undermine and close Hatikvah. As an EB taxpayer I resent all the money that has been wasted on these frivolous law suits. I also resent that the current approach feigns concern for children while really just an effort to deprive them of an excellent location in a suitable facility.

I agree that personal attacks are inappropriate. I don't like to make excuses, but usually these forums are thinly veiled anti-semitic attacks against Hatikvah, so I guess people are just striking back. It is regrettable that people treat each other this way.

If the "concerned citizens" and town council would just leave the matter alone and let everyone make their own choices, we could all be civil and each do what we think is best for our children while not judging the choices others make.

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Anne

3:00 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Stacey, Hatikvah's attorney presented that this a public school and should be treated as a public school. Therefore, you are must start behaving like one. You can't take tax dollars and not be accountable to tax payers.

Who is being paid to fight Hatikvah? Again, if the school is telling you that, it is just one more of their LIES. Moreover, if character attacks are what you rely on to make your decisions, instead of facts and data, then perhaps you should rethink how you evaluate this?

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Deborah Cornavaca

8:04 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Stacy, you have been wildly misinformed about my employment status and the content of the work I do.

In the world of spending public dollars, all of us have a stake and a right to participate in the discussion of how our tax dollars are spent. Taxation and representation. My choice is to engage in the discourse. Others choose to send their children to Hatikvah. Why are they entitled to their choice more than I am to my choice to participate in a democracy?

Les

2:30 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

It was approved by the zoning board, end of disussion.

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Anne

3:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Obviously not. The process for an appeal exists in our town's land use ordinance, because sometimes the Zoning Board gets is WRONG!

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EBtalloaks

3:22 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I am a Hatikvah supporter and have no problem with the appeals process as long as the Town Council sticks to the facts, testimony, and official record and leaves political prejudice out of their determination. The applicant (i.e., charter school) has provided expert testimony, rigorous analyses/studies, and countless Township approvals while the opposer has provided...none of the above. Without political agenda this matter should be open and shut and the variance upheld next week.

Chang

3:01 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Over and over again Deborah Cornavaca just attacking the school and not answering a simple question that she has been asked by many people so far, why she is against the school but didn't say anything against converting the next-door warehouse into a church and a Sunday school? She is pretending that her only concern is the kid’s safety while we all know her real motive.

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Deborah Cornavaca

6:57 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Please be specific where you feel I have attacked the school. I have chosen to object to the location of an East Brunswick Public School in an industrial zone. That some see this as an attack on the school indicates that the supporters of the school see any challenge about anything they do as an attack on their school. This is not the case. It is the case that I believe there should be parity in accountability and transparency between charter and traditional public schools. They both use taxpayer money, they both educate our children. Is that really such a controversial request?

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Lisa

9:40 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Deborah, you are clearly passionate about child safety, which is laudable. If you have time, can you please look into the dangerous situation with the Warnsdorfer parking lot? For some reason the EB public school isn't required to address the fact that they have insufficient parking and hazardous conditions putting children's safety at risk. Your help here would be a great help to the community.

EB Mommy 3

3:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I am a supporter of Hatikvah, but I do feel bad for Felice. Why is everyone attacking her? Her original post was just a question about taxes and where to find more information on the subject.

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jordan

3:17 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Because that is how Hatikvah supporters behave. When they don't have any valid arguments they just attack anyone who opposes them.

To be honest, it comes from the top. The school has been very aggressive about attacking the character of these women as a way to defend themselves when parents ask questions.

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EBtalloaks

3:31 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jordan - I agree that people's private lives should be kept out of this discussion, but I see the attacks coming from people on both sides of the argument. I think it's unfair to generalize your argument to include all (and only) Hatikvah parents. This is supposed to be a forum for reasoned and well-intentioned dialogue, and some people get way too worked up...On both sides of the matter.

ChoiceInEducation

3:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Doborah C. - the school will not get a CN if environmental studies show potential harm. You are grasping at straws and continually spread lies and disinformation. Anyone can see just by googling your name is that you and Christine Rampolla are anti-charter school and ant-Hatikvah. Having a conversation with you is pointless. For someone who claims to be pro-education, you sure seem to have a closed mind. And you do know what they say about closed minds. I have read dozens of your posts, you have yet to say anything positive about the school. How can so many diverse parents and students love the school and yet you, who know so little about it, dislike it so much. Your hateful attitude is quite clear. The school will eventually prevail and you know it, which is why your tone is so desperate, and the lies so numerous. The positive for the school is that all the publicity you caused has created so much interest, that the waiting list after Monday's lottery can fill 2 times the number of slots available for kindergarten and 1st grade. This speaks more resoundly about the school than you and your lies ever could. In a way, the parents and supporters of the school should thank you, because your consistent attacks have brought them together.

josephine b.

3:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I have mixed feelings about Hatikvah but the level of nastiness is ridiculous. Chill out people and find better things to be so uptight about.

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ChoiceInEducation

3:21 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Josephine - for the parents and children who love the school which has been repeatedly attacked by a number of individuals for the last 2 years, it can get personal. No reason for inappropriate comments, that I agree with.

ChoiceInEducation

3:18 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - even if a UNANIMOUS vote to approve by the zoning board (who are trained individuals on these issues) got it wrong, I must ask, why for the first time in many years has an appeal of the zoning board decision been brought to the town council (who are not trained in land use matters) instead of court. It's really quite simple. Ms. Cornavaca and Rampolla chose to bring it to the township council because they know they will lose in court and they wanted an opportunity to politicise and cloud the issues. If the township council falls for this non-sense and does not stick to the issues at hand and specific rules for making their determination, shame on them. Hatikvah will prevail anyway and will move into the building with all the appropriate environmental and safety approvals.

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joesphinebaker

4:08 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Perhaps they did not have the money to appeal in the court system. Democracy is not just for those who have Michael Steinhardt footing their bills.

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ChoiceInEducation

5:53 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Joesphinebaker - doubt if that was the whole reason. After all, they did show up with some guy who is a "lawyer".

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Your Neighbor

10:47 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I find it interesting that you chose to put quotes around the word "Lawyer," when speaking of Kenneth E. Meiser. In addition to be a longtime, valued resident of East Brunswick, he is a Hero of New Jersey's Civil Right's Movement and a well-represented land use attorney at Hill Wallack.

Are you now attacking his character, too?

It definitely seems that character assassinations are this school's number one defense mechanism. At first, I though there might be some truth to the pictures you were painting, but this is the last straw. If you would stoop so low as to speak of Mr. Meiser is this way, you have no credibility whatsoever.

Deborah Cornavaca

3:22 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

My record speaks for itself. I have only commented in my own name. I have been respectful of the school's exitance and admire their mission. I have stuck to facts, never personal attacks. Yet few supporters actually address the facts. It is a geographic fact and I have the pictures to prove it, that the neighbors of 7 Lexington ave are 5 Lexington avenue - a brownfield site - and the vending truck company on Litchfield. Yes, I have been there many times.

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ChoiceInEducation

3:29 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Deborah - you are dishonest when you say you are respectful of the school's existence. Your anti-charter school and anti-Hatikvah record do speak for themselves. Shame on you, your righteous indignation benefits no-one but yourself.

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Pam

3:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

You just keep not telling the truth! the vending truck company is located at 5 Litchfield Rd the next door building is the church, do you think that it was wrong to approve their variance?
http://eastbrunswick.patch.com/listings/vending-trucks-inc
100ft from the school there is a residential building (50 Morgan pl)

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Anne

4:20 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Pam, its clear you haven't bothered to visit the building. Hatikvah is on the corner and directly next to it on the left is 5 Lexington, and on the right is the ending truck company at the corner of Litchfield and Lexington. Further down Lexington is the church.

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Jerry N

7:04 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Deborah - it is quite ironic that the person who lacks transparency the most has an issue with lack transparency with it comes to the charter school. You wrote:
"My record speaks for itself...I have been respectful of the school's exitance and admire their mission". As the organizer of SOS here is your real record, which I suggest everyone should read. As you know, even a naive person would not think that you care about the safety of the kids more the the parents themselves. PLEASE show us a little bit of dignity and transparency. Honesty can go a long way...
http://www.state.nj.us/education/sboe/meetings/pubtest/2012/June/RoomA/Deborah%20Cornavaca.pdf

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Deborah Cornavaca

7:35 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jerry N. From my testimony that you link here:

Even more dangerous in my mind is the language included regarding the closing of charter schools. “An amendment is proposed to N.J.A.C. 6A:11-2.4(b)3 to give the Commissioner the flexibility to revoke a charter for schools that have not been placed on probation or conditional renewal to maintain the integrity of the charter school program. The amendments also would give the Commissioner the option of closing schools with academic, legal, compliance or viability issues that are immediate and severe enough to warrant revocation. “ By asking you to approve these regulatory changes, the Acting Commissioner is asking for the ability to close charter schools with no process at all in order ‘to maintain the integrity of the charter school program’ – as defined by whom? By what standards? This broad, discretionary authority should not be granted to any single individual when considering a local community school. The damage of such authority is already visible in the decision to close the Emily Fisher school, which working in conjunction with the school district, accepted children who would otherwise likely not be in school at all. Were their test scores as high as the best or even average in the state? But is that the question we should be asking? Or should we ask – would these children have even taken these test if it were not for the Emily Fisher school?

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ChoiceInEducation

7:45 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Deca -(Deborah) you haven't always commented in your own name. Another LIE!! You are a fraud.

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Anne

10:55 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Choice, let me get this straight: you're saying that a woman signed up here with a handle, like most people do, and then for transiency's sake she decides she should start using her real name... and you call that a lie? You are one strange cat!

Stacy

3:26 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - if anything, Hatikvah is MORE accountable. It is definitely a public school. The school did not tell me about Deborah being paid, one of her friends from Frost did. Finally, I was saying to STOP the personal attacks. There was no reason for any one to respond to Felice the way they did. I do not make any decisions based on personal attacks. I am not sure why you would say that. I am basing my decision on my desire to make my own choices for my child's education.

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Anne

3:48 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Wow! So, then your friend has also seen her dropping off and picking up her kids from school every single day, and probably knows that she is extremely active in the PTA? So, who is paying her, the Frost PTA? You people are funny! This is one more example of Hatikvah parents lapping up and regurgitating anything they are told. It is really sad, because they are all clearly all so impressionable and will fall for anything. I feel really, really badly for the children at this school.

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ChoiceInEducation

4:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - your concern is overwhelming. I am sure you care more for those children than their parents do. What a joke you are.

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Anne

4:11 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I didn't say they didn't care. I said they fall for anything. You have now reduced yourself to manipulating my words?

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Anne

4:14 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Stacy, would you like to elaborate on how Hatikvah is more accountable for my tax dollars? I'd really like to hear this.

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ChoiceInEducation

5:57 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - when you say parents will fall for anything, are you suggesting they are all fools? Perhaps you are better suited to parent their children, since you are so "caring" and "smart".

Joseph

3:35 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

My comments should not be read as an attack on Felice. I question her point about the taxes.

My observations about critique of this school has more to do with the actions of those who are complaining about each an every decision that the school has made or action they take.

The school appears to have found a proper place and if you strip the politics out of the situation, it really appears that they found the best site possible of those that are on the market at this point in time.

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felice ockun

4:25 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Joseph what is there to question? I asked point blank if the town would be losing tax revenue. what "point" do you question? The fact that such a question led to an absurd and outright character assasination is what you should be questioning.

ChoiceInEducation

3:57 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - once again, you only choose to post things that suit you. Plumrose has moved out and demolition has been completed. Why do you think that the Board of the School (which includes parents of kids who go there) would allow any kind of ware-house activities in the building their kids are in. When you say "the school" - who do you mean - the parents who are on the board? To listen to you, you think parents who send their kids to Hatikvah want to purposefully send their kids to learn in a toxic waste dump next to semi trucks. You are the liar here who has no clue. Maybe you should attend their board meetings to get your concerns across.

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Anne

4:12 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Choice, when was their last meeting held?

Shakira

5:15 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I hadn't been a supporter of Hatikvah, for many of the reasons stated above. My kids adults with children, so it doesn't really matter. But in the past 2 years I have seen how the public schools in EB have finally sprung to the attention, realizing that Hatikvah had figured out ways to implement things that EB always maintained weren't possible. The fight for kindergarten has been going for THREE decades -- and suddenly, the township figures out how to do it. In reading about similar struggles in other towns, this is what I'm realizing - that charters foster innovation. They challenge others to do better in addition to themelves. And in watching that, I've been converted. From all of your arguments, i can't tell anymore whether or not this will have a tax implication for me, but I don't really care anymore. They are adding to the value of my town, and I think it's worth it.

Shakira

5:19 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

But all that being said -- it's clear that this discussion STILL has nothing to do with the zoning board or the decision (i got sucked in myself there...) The arguments you are all having focus on tax dollars, on the other schools in town, on everything BUT what the article is focusing on - is there a reason to force the zoning board do this excercise again? Everyone can be as angry about the other issues as they want, but we are just spinning their wheels. It went to the State Supreme Court and Hatikvah won. it's over. The school has the right to exist. I agree that it would have been nice - and a bit more democratic -- if there had been more information given to the town. A bit more discussion. But there wasn't, they have won the right to be here, and the only issue left to discuss is the building. And if trying to stall the building process is only being motivated by sour grapes, then the folks who are trying to stall the process should be held accountable for their unsavory behavior.

Stacy

5:26 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne- Charter Schools have additional oversight beyond what other public schools have. Here is an example - http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-19/news/32731290_1_charter-schools-freedom-academy-charter-performance-framework

Kelly

5:33 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Stacy, you just showed how little you know about this. First, off the performance framework is to be administered like QSAC. The school will be self assessing itself. And, if you compare the framework to QSAC, its actually LESS rigorous.

I asked for an example of how Hatikvah is more accountable than our public schools.

Kelly

5:56 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

By the way, Stacy, the same commissioner pushing that performance framework is also pushing the state BOE to allow charters to hire non-certified teachers. You call that accountability?

ChoiceInEducation

6:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - please see your comment from July below:
Anne
8:36 am on Friday, July 6, 2012

It seems I was lied to by the staff of the school. I was told that my daughter would start school at their new facility in September. I was told that the school attorney said at the hearing Hatikvah will not be opening at this new location in September. Can anyone verify this?

You daughter? I have to laugh!!!! Do you even have a daughter? You are a complete and total LIAR, pretending to be interested in moving to the 7 Lex location. The bilious excrement that emotes from you stinks to high heaven.

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Anne

11:09 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

"billous excrement?" Wow, you are quite the charmer. Perhaps it is best that my children do not go to school with anyone raised by you.

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ChoiceInEducation

11:35 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Sorry, Anne, I lost my head there. Doesn't make you any less of a liar.

EBMommy

6:18 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Well said, Shakira. . Thank you!

ChoiceInEducation

6:25 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anne - here is the answer to your questions about board meetings. It's available on the school website. http://hatikvahcharterschool.com/board-of-trustees
Please come, I'm sure you will be able to contribute greatly.

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E-Nonymous

7:01 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I checked the link, and i have a question - Who are you Hatikva Board of Trustees?
Why are there no name listed on the page?

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Anne

10:50 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

E-Non, Don't bother, they switch the times around without proper legal notice.

ChoiceInEducation

7:33 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

E-Nonymous -http://hatikvahcharterschool.com/board-members

I am sure you are capable of clicking the mouse yourself.

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debbie morris

8:21 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

They just recently added the names of the Board of Trustees since it was not there on Monday. I would like to know where to find their itemized yearly budget and minutes of meetings since they do fall under the sunshine laws. thank you

Homo erectus

8:34 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Ms Cornavaca :
Direct question since you are participating in the discussion: are you paid by any organization for you actions related to the anti-school choice movement? If so by who and how much.
I expect since you claim to value transparency you will honest and forthcoming.

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Deborah Cornavaca

8:59 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Thank you for engaging me directly and asking for clarification. I am absolutely not paid to be involved in any anti school choice movement. I am not paid in any capacity to work against Hatikvah (which I have been accused of but do not believe is a fair characterization of my actions) nor have I been paid to pursue this appeal.

I work with Save Our Schools NJ which is a pro-public education organization (and public education includes charter schools). We have worked to update charter laws that were written in 1995 and do not reflect the current movement towards corporate franchising of charter schools and we support local votes for the opening of charter schools. We are not anti-charter. I personally believe that way too much authority is vested in the position of Commissioner of Education and that local democratic participation in public education is a positive movement. I am passionate about my work because I believe that public education is a cornerstone of a successful democratic society. I could go on at great length, but I believe this answers your question.

Paying Attention

9:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Homo erectus
Direct question since you are participating in this discussion: who do you work for and how much are you paid? Now, when the tables are turned, doesn't that strike you as a ridiculous question?

Re transparency - A public school, supported by tax dollars from residents of this community, has a legal responsibility to provide information about its operations.
A resident who pays taxes does not have the same responsibility.

Diane

9:04 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

So Hatikvah's position is essentially " It's ok that the town if losing revenue because the zoning board said its allowed? I thought they were all about "the good of the town?"

Tony

9:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I just drove by the area of Lexington. What a wonderfully quiet location. Thanks for advertising this school. Maybe I should transfer my 3 kids from Frost. I heard that hatikvah places 2 teachers in each classroom.

Lisa

9:55 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

The zoning board decision should be upheld. They went through a very rigorous review process and the variance was approved. Let it stand.

Long Time EB'er

1:45 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Deborah hides behind a thin veil of "the good of the children" when in fact the issues seem to be with the fact that Hatikvah has a Jewish identity. Hammerskjold middle school is named after the famous UN leader, should we all be worried our kids will be learning and speaking Danish? It's the same misguided argument that she makes. She is not worried about where this school is placed. It could have been approved to be placed in a special building in a EB park and her argument would be the same, only different "facts".

Let's call a spade a spade here. There is a misconception that the school is a Jewish school, teaching hebrew and Jewsih studies to children while being chartered as a public school. Those who kow this isn't trie have agreed to send thier kids there, ALL kids of various backgrounds races and creeds. No one has asked Deborah if she even has kids who are old enough to go to Hatikvah School? Or are they already old enough to qualify?

Stop wasting our time and Let The Kids Learn!

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Deborah Cornavaca

7:47 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

It is unfortunate that you persist in ascribing motives to my actions when clearly you do not know me. You are incorrect. It is very hard to have substantive discussions under such circumstances.

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Anne

9:37 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

AS INACCURATE AND COMICAL AS THESE ACCUSATIONS ARE, HATIKVAH IS BEHAVING LIKE A BULLY RIGHT NOW. MAYBE THE SCHOOL'S BULLYING COORDINATOR SHOULD HOLD A SEMINAR FOR ITS BOARD MEMBERS AND PARENTS.

Long Time EB'er

1:45 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Michael Hughes is a joke. He is a kid of 21 or 22 years old and a former BOE member. He has NO experience in this and as the Board President is in waaay over his head here. How does a 21 year old kid get to be the Board President of a Community the size of EB? Our stupidty! He should have never been elected to begin with! Let's not make that mistake again!

I am tired of hearing Deborah play her cherade. She comes off as an Anti-Semite hiding behind he children she is "protecting" instead of giving up this ridiculous waste of money. Who is funding her case? and who will be responsible for the costs of the township once the case is over? I think if the ruling is upheld, we push that back to Deborah and her cronie Christine.

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Deborah Cornavaca

8:17 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Long Time EB'er - you continue to cast aspersions that are not just wrong but very disrespectful to me and my family. Why are ad hominem attacks so attractive to you?I would suggest that in this debate over school children, we behave in such a way that sets a good example for them and refrain from further accusations, personal attacks and irrelevant and incorrect assignment of motive and character to participants whether named or anonymous.

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Bobi

9:53 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Ms Cornavaca, you motives are clear to everyone already you don't have to hide them anymore.....

Tami

7:37 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Deborah, it's very "interesting" that the voting levels increased significantly last night after midnight. You must have been very bored last night.

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randall peak

10:25 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

agreed as well -- but it was on both sides of the argument. I'd say at this point the voting reflects not the real feelings of the community, but who has more time to finagle the sytem to add votes. And both sides are guilty.

Homo erectus

9:23 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Ms Cornavaca
You did not really answer the question that I asked. Are you paid for your work with Save Our Schools or the Educational Law Center?

debbie morris

9:41 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Sad when someone has to resort to creating a name that won the Abbott decision.

daniel

9:44 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Deborah Cornavaca, it's so sad to see what you did to our town! you just divided the town and brought hate, I am sure you are so proud right now.

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Judy

10:47 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

You cannot blame one person. The people writing the comments on here, as well as others supporters in the neighborhood, have been behaving unspeakably disrespectfully towards anyone who doesnt agree with them. They have become a stain on this town.

John jones

9:50 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

I heard that Cornavaca has filed multiple complaints against this school. What is she really up to?

Judy

10:45 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

I was pro-hatikva until I started reading this thread yesterday. One thing is clear---If you dont support hatikvah you are wrong. if you dont support hatikvah you are anti semetic. If you dont support hatikvah you are evil and deserved to be bullied. These people deserve no respect as they pay none to anyone who has an opintion different than theirs. it is as though they have been brainwashed. I have never seen adults behave this way. Do they realize how many people they are turning against them with this behavior?

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John Saccenti

11:13 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013

The arguments, motives and methods of both sides have been made clear in this story. Since very little can be added to the discussion comments will now be closed.

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