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President Obama's Eligibility Challenged

Two men, including a Monmouth County resident, are challenging President Barack Obama's placement on the state's primary ballot.

 

Two New Jersey residents, including one from Monmouth County, are challenging President Barack Obama's place on the state's primary ballot, according to the Bayshore Tea Party Group.

Nick Purpura, of Monmouth County, has filed a challenge along with Ocean County resident Ted Moran alleging that Obama has never shown adequate proof that he was born in the United States - despite the release of a longform birth certificate by the White House in April of 2011 - and that his father was never a citizen of the United States, meaning Obama is not a natural born citizen, at least according to their interpretation of the Constitution.

The challenge will be heard by an administrative law judge Tuesday at the Administrative Law Offices in Quakerbridge and the Bayshore Group has asked those interested in attending to consider carpooling - a cost effective and environmentally friendly mode of travel.

The primary election is scheduled for June 5.

The petition, which was uploaded to the the document-sharing site Scribd, cites sources that include World Net Daily, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the controversial elected sheriff of Maricopa County, Az., and videos posted on YouTube as evidence why Obama may not be eligible to be this country's president.

From the petition:

"Candidate Obama has not conclusively proven his identity and he is perpetrating a fraud upon Objector Purpora (sic) and Moran by not revealing his true identity which is harmful to their rights as voters and citizens. The objection to Candidate Obama's nominating petition is twofold. We first allege that he has not conclusively proven that he was born in the United States. We also allege that even if he was born in the United States, he is still not an Article II "natural born Citizen" because he fails to meet the requirements of the traditional American common law definition of the clue which is a child born in the country to two U.S. citizen parents."

To view the entire petition on Scribd, click here.

    Related Topics: 2012 presidential election, Bayshore Tea Party Group, and birthers

    aspin

    9:34 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Im pretty sure his long form birth certificate is spot on proof he was born in Hawaii.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

    Not quite sure what his father's citizenship has to do with his being eligible either:
    "The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements"

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    Old One

    11:12 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    A2 S1 p5 of our great Constitution requires one to be Natural Born in order to hold the office of President! When your daddy was a Kenyan Brit you can never be Natural Born. In fact your daddy's home country England has a Law The British Nationality Act of 1948 that causes any children of your daddy to be born British Subjects no matter where they are born! John Jay wrote to George Washington about this and George saw to it that the Natural Born requirement was added to the then new Constitution. Citizen has nothing to do with Natural Born Citizen. Natural Born Citizen only applies to the qualification of becoming POTUS! And by amendment VP. If you have prof you can prove you are born in Hawaii but that does not make you Natural Born. Obama can never be considered Natura Born! Neither can McCain, Jindal, Rubio, or Romney. McCain was not born on American soil. Jindal and Rubio both had two parents that were not American Citizens when they had their sons. And it apperas that Mitt's daddy George was a citizen of Mexico when Mitt was born.

    Old One

    11:25 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Also it has been proven by a active Sheriff that both the Birth Certificate and the Selective Service Registration card released by Obama are fake! If this holds up to be true that is fraud and possibly treason. Considering the number of White House staff involved they are is a conspiracy to deceive the American Voters. Serious stuff indeed!

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    tom wolstencroft

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Your definition of 'Natural Born' is wrong:

    The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause or US Constitution

    If you disagree with his politics, that is fine. Don't hold onto baseless accusations and conspiracy theories. Make a valid point, based on factual data, about his policies and you will have an audience.

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    Old One

    3:22 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    If Sheriff Joe has released false information there would be fifteen lawyers from Perkins Coie filing Slander and Libel suites against Arpaio.

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    paul de florio

    12:18 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    No legitimate source has proven that the certificate offered by President Obama is a fraud. Birthers and nut cases like Arpaio and these two goons in NJ can claim all their spurious witnesses they want but it does not change the fact that our president is and American citizen!

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    Patricia Merrill

    12:22 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Give it up for god's sake. Let's face it, you're all a bunch of racists!

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    Patricia Merrill

    2:16 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012

    What resources did this active sheriff consult to reach his/her conclusion?

    Barbara Sagarese Gonzalez

    11:28 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Old One has it right. Read "Where's The Birth Certificate", by Jerome Corsi. The Sheriff of Morris County NJ, was present for his presentation and believes that this issue needs to be further investigated.

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    paul de florio

    12:25 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Don't you folks have something better to do? Our President is an American. You people need some serious psychological help.

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    aspin

    1:50 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    yes. snopes. Sadly, I would be more inclined to trust that silly site more than I trust anyone in the tea party and im not even a democrat.

    People need to just get over this. Obama is our president. If you don't want him to be able to continue being president by winning another election, find a better candidate to run against him instead of acting like a bunch of National Inquirer subscribers. Claiming he's not a US citizen and is guilty of treason is just downright unpatriotic.

    lawrence williard

    11:35 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    I'm really not sure. I mean, he seems like a real U.S. president, what with the increasing debt, war mongering, unfulfilled promises, pandering, and general toothlessness he's shown when it comes to fighting the political fight just like our last few chiefs.

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    Nick Lembesis

    11:43 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Proof that the Bayshore Tea Party are a bunch of morons.

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    WE REGRET

    11:49 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Cranky old Patriot

    There is a reason the Constitution differentiates between "Citizen" and Natural Born Citizen" John Jay made it clear. Parents who are not citizens have not demonstrated their allegiance to the United States by becoming "Citizens." Try reading the founders writings, it'll become clear what their intent was! Yes we are idiots!!! Prove us wrong!!!

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    Bob English

    1:48 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    I thought the birther nonsense had gone away once and for all after the President requested that the State of Hawaii release a certitifed copy of his long form birth certificate (although he/they were under no obligation to do so.)

    Also note that the two local Honolulu newspapers each published the Presidents birth announcement aprox a week after he was born (in 1961) and noted that birth announceements were based on information supplied by the local hospitals.

    To still believe that the President was not born in Hawaii, you would have to believe in a massive conspiracy going back to 1961 that involved the hospital, the newspapers, high ranking governmental officials in Hawaii including the Governor and also believe that the Presidents 18 year old mother decided to take a trip to Keyna, give birth and immediately reeturned to Hawaii and someohow was able to have false birth announcemnts placed in the newspapers.

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    Bob's Wife

    2:46 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    OK... so let's say I agree with you, that he was born in Hawaii. He is not a natural born citizen (which the US Constitution states), because his daddy was a British subject and not a citizen of the United States when Obama was born. That is the issue, Bob.

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    Bob's Wife

    3:36 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Well Bob, The President requested the Long form! Where is it? Have you seen it? Do you believe that the forged document on the White House web site is the real long form copy? You might want to do some more research.

    Mr Obama has sworn an oath To the U.S. Constitution as well as to the 50 states where he has filed petitions to be on the ballot. Did you know that NJ requires in it's constitution that Mr Obama meet the requirements of the U.S. Constitution for the office he wishes to run for, and provide evidence of that fact to any registered voter in NJ should they object to his petition. Believe me he is obligated to prove he meets the qualifications to hold this office, unless of course you are willing to throw aside the Constitution of the U.S. and the NJ Constitution.

    Oh, and please note than anyone could and probably still can post birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers.

    It appears you know little about Hawaii's acceptance of most anyone born anywhere in the world and granting them a certificate of live birth generally within a year of birth if the baby is examined by a physician during that time. Obama's grandparents were known to have placed the notice of birth in the Honolulu papers.

    Mr Obama's Mother was enrolled and ATTENDING college in Seattle 3 weeks after the birth.

    Also the real issue is NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. Read some of the entries above. Then talk to me about law and order and where it goes when the Constitution is made irrelevant!!

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    CSK

    1:11 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    that is exactly what happened, a massive conspiracy by his communist grandmother to make him a citizen and probably receive welfare. Read up on this and get smart. If he was a good president, no one would care, but he is not. Why does he have the SS# of a 102 yr old Conn dead man? Where did that come from? Sooner or later, lies catch with you. Where there is smoke, there is fire and there is plenty of smoke around Obama.

    Bob English

    3:15 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    You just made up your own definition of "natural born citizen". That term was not defined in the Constitution. Since his mother was born in the United States and the President was born in Hawaii do you actually think a court would interpet that to mean he is not a natural born citizen??

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    Bob's Wife

    4:21 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    No, you made up your own definition of natural born citizen. First of all, the Constitution specifies "natural born citizen"; NOT "citizen", to be POTUS. Now since you seem to be so good at making things up, please tell me the difference. Then, go back and read what the Founders defined "natural born citizen" to be. Then go back and read "Law of Nations". Then understand that we separated ourselves from England, the crown and English common law.

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    WE REGRET

    7:15 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    No Bob, you did! The courts actually have determined that "Natural Born Citizen" Means born here of two Citizen parents. The intent of the founders was clear and has been confirmed by the courts. See the decision in Minor v. Happersett, There are others.

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    tom wolstencroft

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Here is the definition:

    The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements

    It clearly states that anyone born in the US is a citizen (unless you are a diplomat from another country). Hence the term 'anchor babies', another GOP talking point.

    Just an FYI, if they say it on Fox news or Glenn Beck's show, it isn't automatically a fact. Same goes for CNN, MSNBC, etc. The fact is, he was born in Hawaii, it was a state, he is a 'natural born citizen'.

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    Old One

    12:37 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

    Read the Book the founders went by, Vattel's "Law of Nations"
    Just Google (Law of Nations natural born)

    Bob English

    3:55 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Have I seen the long copy of the Presidents Birth Certificate??? Yes. The question should be have you seen it since most birthers threw in the towel after it was realeased. It is on the snoopes link that someone [noted above), it is also on a zilion news websites on the internet and also on the White House website. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate Note that the State of Hawaii certified that it is an exact copy of the original that is on file. So they woud have to be part of your conspiracy.

    If everything has you claim is a fogery and the result of one big conspiracy, than you need to prove it. Note that birth announcements were not placed by grandparents...as noted in the papers, they came from the hospitals. So they would have to be part of your conspiracy.

    How about showing everyone some real evidence to back up your theory ???

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    Old One

    2:40 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    No Hospital has ever released information he was born there other than the one in Mombasa. Now it's your turn, show me the Hospital Birth Certificate or birth record! I'll even take a letter from a Hospital acknowledging that they have a birth record. Come on !!! Your turn!
    Now are you saying the Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration released by the White House pass the smell test? Experts say it is bogus BS! Can you prove them wrong? DO IT!!!

    rosemary sternbach

    6:01 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Can't believe this stuff is still going....HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A..give it
    a rest....
    Is there no limit to hatred and racial bias? Enough is enough....STOP..

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    ANTHONY QUAGLIOZZI

    1:57 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    THE TRUTH IS WORTH WAITING FOR, MAYBE IF YOU LIVED UNDER THE RULE OF COMMUNISM YOU WOULD NOT BE SO IMPATIENT TO HOLD OUR FREEDOM AND CONSTITUTION SO SACRED, YOU VOTED FOR HIM SO IT HAS TO BE TRUE, I VOTED FOR HIM AND I AM NOT ASHAME TO SAY IT WAS A MISTAKE AND HE SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH COMMUNISTS AND PEOPLE WHO CARE LESS ABOUT OUR GREAT PEOPLE. IF YOU ARE WRONG, YOU WOULD STILL THOW OUT THE CONSTITUTIN SO YOU CAN BE RIGHT, YOU ARE AN UNGRATEFUL AMERICAN, YOU COULD CARE LESS FOR ALL WHO HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR LIFE FOR YOU, AS LONG AS YOU ARE RIGHT, GROW UP OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ READ READ , TAKE CARE ROSEMARY UNGRATEFUL.

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    Patricia Merrill

    2:22 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012

    I'm with you Rosemary! I am so bored with this issue. Get a hobby!

    Barbara Sagarese Gonzalez

    6:11 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Dear Rosemary....WHERE in any of these posts did you see anything regarding race? Just like a liberal....bringing in the race card. You were spot on with the hatred though! I give you one point for that one.

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    paul de florio

    12:35 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Aha! The "L" word! Well I am guilty but also intelligent enough to know that the only reason the President was even questioned was because all these birthers and tea partiers can't stand to have a black President. Especially with a middle name of Hussein! No other President in recent memry was ever questioned nor required to show a birth certificate. He showed his, it is public record in Hawaii and i just wish you folks could find that rock under which you have been nhiding for the past few years.

    Paul
    tallahassee
    Former marine and proud American supporting my President

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    Jack Werner

    3:03 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    If President was named O'Connor and had an Irish father would we even be having this discussion?

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    Old One

    2:49 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012

    Jack! Mittens is also not natural born! Nether is Jindal or Rubio! This is Constitutional not racial. This is not about hating minorities this is about hating Communists! Don't you hate Communists? Why NOT?

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    WE REGRET

    7:22 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Rosemary,
    Maybe, but T is elixir of GOD compared to your gruel! Deal with facts not your perverted view of opinions expressed here. He may well be the President! If he is qualified then why hide most of his lifes experiences from the public view?

    rosemary sternbach

    7:29 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    let's look forward to a bright future....

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    Bob's Wife

    7:36 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    You do that. Because those who refuse to learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it,

    Bob English

    8:26 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    From "Urban Legends":

    "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.

    Though the term "natural-born citizen" was left undefined by the Framers of the Constitution, it was broadly understood in English common law at the time as referring to one who possesses citizenship by virtue of the circumstances of their birth, which is still the general meaning of the phrase as it's used today.

    In the U.S. there are two established legal principles upon which individuals are said to acquire citizenship at birth: jus sanguinus ("right of blood"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born to parents who are U.S. citizens, and jus soli ("right of soil"), meaning citizenship conferred by being born on U.S. soil. Per the Fourteenth Amendment, which states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside," all individuals born on U.S. soil are considered "birthright citizens" under the law regardless of the citizenship status of their parents. Obama was born on U.S. soil — in Honolulu, Hawaii — and was therefore a citizen at birth by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment (and the principle of jus soli).

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    Old One

    2:51 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    The 14th Amendment is not in play here, it deals with simple citizen not being Natural Born! The founders were given i believe 5 copies of Vattels Law of Nations so they all had access to what Natural Born referred to, that being both your parents being American citizens at the time of your birth and that birth on American soil. Just Google Vattel, Law of Nations, natural born. Now show me prof he was born in Hawaii. There is NONE! of yet at least and if it does come out what about the fake BC and SSRcard the White House released? Smoke and Mirrors my friend that is all we have had access to by this imposter and his comrads. No prof no facts!

    Bob English

    8:27 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Therefore Barack Obama is, in fact, a U.S. citizen. However, some still argue that he is not a natural-born citizen. The reasons have to do with the disputed meaning of the term "natural born."
    'Natural born' vs. 'native born'
    In lawsuits challenging Obama's Constitutional eligibility it has been argued that while birth on U.S. soil confers "birthright" or "native-born" citizenship, it does not confer natural-born citizenship unless both parents are also U.S. citizens.
    But among Constitutional scholars the distinction between "natural born" and "native born" is not universally accepted as a crucial one. Short of a Supreme Court decision or legislative statute settling the matter, it remains but one way of interpreting a longstanding legal ambiguity concerning the eligibility clause. There are other interpretations, most notably that found in an analysis presidential candidate John McCain's standing as a natural-born citizen conducted in 2008 by former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson and Constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe. In their view "on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal precedent" — either the fact of birth on U.S. soil or the fact of birth to parents who are U.S. citizens is independently sufficient to confer natural born status.

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    Old One

    3:02 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Congress tried to cover up McCain's ineligibility but it was more Smoke and Mirrors. No Judge, Jury, Congressman, Senator, Bill or Law, nor public opinion can change our great Constitution, it is the same today as it was when written unless it has been amended. A2, S1, p5 has never been amended. Natural Born is the same today as it was in 1776. Now look at the intent of John Jay when he wrote to George Washington about requiring a President to be Natural Born. It was to prevent a Brit from becoming Commander in Chief. Obama was born a Brit under the British Nationality Act of 1948. That is a fact being his daddy was a Kenyan Brit that has been stated in court by his Lawyer. He is exactly who John Jay wanted to bar from ever becoming President. If you don't know, John Jay was our first Supreme Court Chief Justice.

    Bill Roberts

    8:36 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Some people need to do their homework. First of all, the long form that they refer to as being provided is a 'Certificate of Live Birth'. Believe it or not, it is not a Hawaiian 'Birth Certificate'. They are 2 totally different documents The long form is used only to validate a child having been born. It is not to be used as substantiation of where the child was born. In early 1960s Hawaii, all one needed to do was present an undocumented infant to a MD or hospital and the child was issued one of these COLBs.
    Second, Obama's father was a Nigerian-born Brit. This makes Obama ineligible for the same reason that Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be the President.
    Lastly, I'm most concerned about the fact that Obama's SSN belongs to some dead guy from Connecticut (and no, the numbers do not get recycled).

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    Bob English

    8:52 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Almost everyting you posted is not accurate. Schwarzenegger was born in Austria and not the United States.

    The are numerous independent fact check sites that have debunked that crazy e-mail about the Presidents Socail Security number. Don't believe every crazy e-mail you see on the internet.

    The Certificate of Live Birth was released in 2008. That is the standard form used in Hawaii. The Presidnet than requested that Hawaii release a copy of the Long Form Birth Certificate. A certified copy of that was released about a year ago. That put a stop to most of the birhter's nonsense claims of the President not being born in Hawaii.

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    Old One

    3:07 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    His wife is reported to have more than one SS# also. Ask yourself why nether one of them still have a license to practice law. What names did they use on their Law Licenses? Soetoro?

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    Star

    11:45 am on Friday, April 13, 2012

    ignorants is bliss and your the grand prize winner! How long have you been having these self inflicted stupid attacks?

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    paul de florio

    12:41 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Absolutely no sane, intelligent person would buy your load of crap! His SSN is legitimate. Has been and will be. Scwartzenegger was BORN in Austria. In case you don't know it, Austria is NOT the US. Hawaii is. Our President is American born and that is that!

    Curious George

    11:19 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    ...why don't you birthers give it up already? No one with any sense takes you seriously any more. It's a dead issue and it will continue to be that way. This is all a distraction to take away the fact that you don't have a viable candidate to run against the president. Even many established republicans don't want to go on line saying they support Romney. This is such a waste of time and energy. You had your brief "15 minutes of fame" when you forced many middle of the road republicans far to the right after the 2010 elections but it has backfired on you when the most extreme nominees have finally backed out of the primaries and you're left with Romney. Actually, maybe you should continue doing what you're doing because the insanity of it all only helps insure Obama's re-election as you turn off more and more republican voters.

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    Old One

    3:11 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    When it gets down to Romney (who is also not Natural Born) and Dr Paul we will run Dr Paul against whoever the democRATs put up. By then it will probably be the Rotten Rodham with Slick Willie as VP. The fake BC and SSRcard will bring down the foreigner.

    Barzillai

    11:57 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Ultra Conservatives do this for the emotional value, not to demonstrate intellectual substance. Over and over again they lie and don't apologize for it. They create the tone they want and that suits them fine. Sort of like that "monologuist" Mike Daisey who lied about his experiences at the Apple plant in China in order to give a better performance. Well, at least he finally apologized for misleading people. The problem is that the Left keeps trying to reason with the Far Right, and that is anathema to them. Settling things intellectually is the last thing they are interested in. I saw seniors rooting wildly for Anna Little at her debate with Frank Pallone last year, older folks who would lose a wide range of benefits if her Tea Party had their wish. There is no reasoning with people who are emotional and unthinking, especially when they ignore their own self-interest. That's not patriotic; that's stupid. Birthers are just raising the temperature. Personally I think if you scratch the surface you'll find a healthy amount of intolerance.

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    Old One

    3:15 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Turn it up-side-down! It wont work anymore! Your Communist idol has feet of clay and is falling over as we type! The coup is ending.

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    John Rocket

    2:21 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    Great comment Barzillai. Thanks.

    Bill Roberts

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Who??? Snopes.com? Do you know who runs that fact check site - and with much of George Soros' money, too.

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    Don

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    There are many more reasons not to reelect Obama. Some question his birth place and people have a right to do so. I personally believe he was born in the USA. However, as I stated already, there are so many reasons to vote him out of office. Focus on his apology tour, wealth redistribution mentality, the people he carried on with when he was in college and beyond, the 5 trillion dollars he has added to the debt, sending 1.5 Billion taxpayer dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, etc. I can go on and on.

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    Bob English

    6:05 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Wealth redistribution??? Taxes are lower under Obama than they were under Bush.

    Jim Tobias

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Wow, just goes to show the extreme lengths today's Republican Party will go. I can understand them not being too enthusiastic about Mittens, but gee, all the wild-eyed spittle-flecked posting around here! Can't wait for them to run Anna Little again. Good times.

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    bud

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    If we need any further proof, we can just ask his Kenyan Aunt and Uncle, both of whom were arrested AND released for being D.U.I. in MA. FYI, they are BOTH illegals and proud of it! Even made the NY Times? Shocking.

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    John Rocket

    2:37 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    This is really a great read. The lunatics of the Tea Party debating people who are actually informed and intelligent. But I warn you-the educated and rational-that there is no bottom at all to the misinformation and irrationally of the the far-right. There is only layer upon layer of twisted, fallacious drivel built up over a life time of belief in the ridiculous to justify an irrational hatred for whomever might be the target: the IRS, blacks, liberals, The New York Times, Democrats, Roosevelt, etc., etc., etc. Fight them and you will never win. You will never change their opinion on anything. Its best to go off and try to deal with rational people. God help us, though, if they ever actually obtain control over our political institutions. They must be taken seriously-The Nazis where laughed at because of their ridiculous political ideology-the results were tragic. It could happen again. it could happen here. The Tea Party is made up of just the right people to make it happen.

    louise mandel

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    I question them as intelligent life!

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    justsaying

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Isn't it a little odd that no doctor has come foward about his birth, no neighbors that knew him as a kid, no grammer school friends, no teammates, no club associates, no teachers that said "i thought he would succeed", no yearbook pictures, no girlfriends etc, etc , etc... Just Bill Ayers and Reverand Wright... doesn't someone, somwhere remember him???? Seems a little strange

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    Patricia Merrill

    9:50 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    How do you know all of this? Do you have documentation to back up your claims? This is crazy. Sounds like a case for Perry Mason!

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    John Rocket

    2:52 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    A Little odd? Why don't you take a trip to Hawaii and interview all the people who may have know him. And his doctor-who I am sure remembers well his birth out of the thousands he has probably done over the last 40 years. Then make a report and prove either way that Obama was or was not born in Hawaii. Just think how important you could be! "Justsaying" proves that Obama is not eligible to be president! Now, Justsaying, do you not think that every right wing Tea Party loony who has had the the ability to do so has done just what you suggest? You know, maybe hire a private detective to go ask questions in Hawaii!!! Why haven't you heard about it? Because normal people are not worried about Obama's citizenship-they never were. You know the kind of people who don't feel that we need to get our country back-from someone-who took it? Oh, that black man-that is who took it.
    Justsaying. You may not be just plain stupid. You may only be just plain stupid when it comes to politics because your emotions prevent any rational thought. In fact, you may even be a college professor who is just a little nutty. Who knows!

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    John Rocket

    3:29 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    Justsaing: Get on a plane and go to Hawaii. Get the facts. Interview that doctor-I am sure he will remember Obama's birth from fifty years ago. I guess you must be the first person to think about obtaining personal contact information about Obama! Great job pal. Brilliant.

    Chris Aranosian

    5:36 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    At this point, anyone who still insists on questioning the validity of President Obama's citizenship really should be seeking professional psychiatric help. This irrational obsession is truly an indicator of a mental disorder. The only sense I can make of this phenomenon is that these people have a profound inability to accept the fact that our president is black, and the resulting cognitive dissonance causes them to cling to this birther obsession despite all evidence and logic to the contrary.

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    Patricia Merrill

    9:41 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    I agree with you 110%. Very eloquently stated!

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    Edward Van Embden

    10:33 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Comments made beginning on or after April 10 are not showing up. Engineering is looking into the issue and hopefully it will be resolved soon. If you've made a comment and don't see it, don't worry, we haven't deleted it and hopefully it will show up soon. Thanks!

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    Bob English

    2:06 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    FYI in the Minor v Happersett case, the court noted that there was no doubt about her citizenship since Minor was born in the United States and her parents were U.S. citizens, she was unquestionably a citizen herself, even under the narrowest possible definition, and the court thus noted that the subject did not need to be explored in any greater depth.

    Are you reading something else into that?

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    Joseph Hill

    11:59 am on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Let's face it......the nutcases who put out this baloney will NEVER stop questioning Obama's citizenship. A NATURAL BORN citizen is a person born in the USA, period!

    BTW...George Washington's parents were BOTH British subjects.

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    Nikki

    12:31 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. I don't see you lunatics getting bent out of shape over that. The honest truth is you simply hate that Obama is President. Get over it. He won the election - it is nearly 4 years after the fact. If his birth certificate is your best ammo against him to keep him from a 2nd term, then he's got a better shot at it than most people think. Get a life and since you hate him so much focus on the Nov election where you can vote for the other guy, who by your crazy warped standards, is also not qualified. It's amazing how people think reading blogs, email forwards and biased news reports all the sudden makes them experts on constitutional law. So sad.

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    ANTHONY QUAGLIOZZI

    2:04 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    the law is the law and if it is aplies to oboma, it will apply to mitt, newt will male sure of that

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    Old One

    12:53 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

    McCain, Jindal, Rubio, and Mittens are, like Obama, not natural born!
    That's an old idiot, an Indian, a Cuban, a white Morman, and a Communist Kenyan Brit. This has nothing to do with race!

    Jim Tobias

    1:30 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    Never forget that these nutjobs are now the heart and soul of today's Republican Party. The Republican candidate for Representative in this District was and is exactly like these wild-eyed mouth-breathers. The Tea Party is calling the GOP shots; Romney dances to their tune. Don't let anyone with an (R) after their name anywhere near political office until the rabies is cured.

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    John Rocket

    3:01 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    Jim. Good point and timely. Richard Grinell resigns because the homophobes at Focus on Family could not tolerate a gay on Rommney's staff. It just starting and will only get worse.

    c63amg

    10:53 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

    BEST QUOTE OF THE DECADE- from CZECH REPUBLIC OBSERVER......

    "The danger to America is not only Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

    http://godandcountryfirst.com/2011/09/19/czech-republic-the-danger-to-america-is-not-barack-obama-but-the-fools-who-elected-him/

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/sheriff-joes-posse-probable-cause-obama-certificate-a-fraud/

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    Tony Orsini

    11:14 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012

    You needed to substitute George Bush for Obama, oh INSIPID ones. Don't forget to put on your aluminum caps tonite. I don't know how this Republic survives YOU (having a good educational system). And remember: a Tea Party is for little girls with imaginary friends.

    ASimon

    1:23 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012

    C63- your link leads to an article in which Glenn Beck QUOTES this Czech newspaper. Could you please post a link to the actual article itself? What was the date it was printed and where is it available online? Unless Glenn Beck speaks fluent Czech, surely there must be an English edition of this newspaper for any independent party to read.

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    William Mays

    10:41 pm on Tuesday, April 17, 2012

    Wow, these morons are still going? It's quite obvious that the Tea Party is only after Obama because he is black. They still haven't gotten over the fact that all men are created equal and that segregation no longer exists. They can't believe that a black man is smarter than them and isn't working on their farm.

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    Old One

    12:56 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

    My god! Obama is not black! Stanley Ann Dunham was pure white!

    Kate B.

    11:12 pm on Tuesday, April 17, 2012

    Cannot believe these people are still perpetuating this offensive nonsense - or that media outlets continue to give them attention when they do.

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    Bob English

    5:58 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    The amazing thing is that people are such nitwits that they want to believe any crazy negative story about the President no matter how insane it is just so long as the story reinforces their beliefs.

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    John Rocket

    3:07 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    You will never hear far-right radio jock disabuse a caller of his birther belief. I guess they reason that the caller ( and others like him who are listening) may be a lunatic-but he is my lunatic and he will certainly be voting Republican.

    D.Ellenberg

    12:36 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012

    It is difficult to believe that so many have been deceived by such. If he were native born then WHY such the big deal? I have a birth certificate, registered for the selective service, didn't use foreign student aid to go to college FREE nor have my college transcripts sealed. There are far to many smoke n mirror acts to not raise questions by those not mesmerized by such deception.

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    John Rocket

    3:15 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    Are you kidding? Why such a big deal? Because of conspiracy nuts like you. Because the Republican party needs you nuts to win political office and so cannot do the responsible thing and tell the nuts straight out, with no uncertainty at all that Obama is qualified by citizenship to be President. The are afraid to alienate and of the nut jobs from the far right.

    Dorris Ponstingl

    10:00 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012

    The Main thing about barack's birth certificate is being overlooked to prove it is forged.
    It has a babies foot print on the certificate, They didn't start doing that until until 64 or 65, and he was to have been born in 612???????????????
    Where is all the intelligence?????????????
    Or maybe just another cover up??

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    John Rocket

    3:19 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    It just doesn't end! Always more imagined proof! Dorris-go figure it out.Do your research. Are you saying that you did not have an issue with Obama's citizenship prior to your discovery of the baby's foot print? You did didn't you? Then one of you pet theories was disproved and you found another. Then there will be another.....

    s ch

    5:37 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    it has hit the fan let all the obama people know even his lawyer in nj says in open court his birth cert on the white house page is a fake
    tell me its real again with a straight face. WAKE UP hes told anuff lies time to remove him from office as he cant legally hold the office of potus

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    Old One

    1:04 am on Friday, April 20, 2012

    Have you read about all the arrests going on around the world the past week?
    Seems there is a movement to rid the planet of all these New World Order Communists. Sorry guys your Kenyan Brit is on the list. US Marshals will make the arrest backed up by our Military. It will be a rather big deal. They will take over the MSM outlets and educate the public in the truth for three days. Hope you enjoy the CHANGE!

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    LibsLie

    10:32 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012

    Personally, I think the liberal's teleprompter-in-chief is a puppet without the heart or stones to actually do anything other than what his handlers tell him to do. As far as the birther argument. More ridiculous than the eligibility issue, is the absolute hypocrisy on the part of the liberal commentators on here, and pretty much everywhere else. Liberals insist on everyone's right to express themselves, but only to those groups that they deem liberally-approved. Disagree and your 1st amendment rights are suspended, you are a crackpot AND a racist. The real enemy of America is the self-proclaimed authority of the liberal mindset. If I want to believe your president is a purple Martian transexual and I want to say so, I have that right. You have the right to disagree, but you do not have the right to silence me. So, whether that Kenyan SOB is squatting in the White House with his spendthrift hog of a wife or not, only matters insofar as it validates you liberal twits. When he's gone. The pendulum will finish swinging back and you all can go back to telling each other how important you are and wringing your hands over whatever issues The View tells you are important.

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    John Rocket

    3:26 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012

    Libslie: I read your post . It was not edited. You said it in a public forum. You have not been silenced here. I am a liberal. I did not try to silence you. i still believe that you are hate-filled, racist crackpot and that you need serious psychological help.
    One thing though, I hear that they need a replacement vigilante in Arizona to stop illegal immigration. I think you have the right stuff to do that job!

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    Dolores

    7:52 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

    No use arguing with those whose minds cannot be changed because they're closed to the truth. Obviously the Obama haters/birthers have been listening to Rush, Hannity, and Glenn Beck. Change the channel sometime and listen to people who make sense. Some of these posts are unreadable as the hatred they spew toward the President is pathetic and approaches very bad taste.

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    Thomas A. Blasi

    12:09 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    It doesn’t matter what the downtrodden say, the President will win the election. He easily has the 270 electoral votes needed. Not only will he win the election but he will win NJ. Republican, Mitt Romney will not even win his own state.

    Old One

    1:06 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    Let's keep score;
    Are you a Communist?
    Or-
    Are you an American?
    This way we can see why half of you always seem to hide the true truth and as Joe Wilson told your puppet - - -" YOU LIE!" - - -.

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    BobDee

    3:46 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    Who's Barry Soetoro? The more you dig the weirder it gets.

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    Bob English

    8:39 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    Can't wait to see Mitt Romney makes birther Donald Trump take off his tin foil hat off when they appear together this week. I would not put it past Trump to start talking about his insane birther conspiracy theories when he is onstage with Romney.

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    Dentss Dunnagun

    9:25 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    The program some dufus at the Whitehouse used to forge a birth certificate for Obama is photoshop CS5...but the idiot left out one step...he forgot to print it and THEN copy it before scaning it for release...and that one teenie error reveals that the Obama birth certifcate is a forgery....so remember , learn to use the process BEFORE you engage in felony law breaking...now poor sherriff Joe Arpaio has all he needs to show that someone in the Whitehouse is a forger....and I'm NOT a birther damn it...just observant...

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    Bob English

    9:36 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    The Adobe birther theory was long ago debunked.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

    By the way, if there were some kind of conspiracy, it would have had to start in 1961 with the hospital in Hawaii and the two local newspapers (which published the Presidents birth announcement a few days after he was born) part of the conspiracy.

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    Jim Tobias

    10:08 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

    Bob, you clearly haven't seen MIB III yet. Time travel is definitely how Obama did this. Some of the stapled tea bags have fallen off your tin foil hat; please report to Republican HQ immediately. [Pause while Dentss composes his denial that he's a Republican...]

    Marjorie Smith

    2:34 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012

    I know lots of people without jobs and with no prospects. Shouldn't this be the yardstick?

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    Sal

    5:42 am on Tuesday, June 12, 2012

    We all like to think our opinions matter___but in reality our 'opinions' are meaningless. The US Supreme Court just recently threw out the birther case before it and it is only their opinion that really matters..

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