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The Mean Spirit of Opposition

Post Election Day response to readers of the post "Why I voted for President Barack Obama".

The greatness of our nation lies in the ability for each of us to speak our minds, express our thoughts and opinions and disagree with each other.  I must tell you that since I cast my vote for the winning candidate, the responses during the election and after, have been filled with anger and a mean spiritedness that is troubling.

Now, I have a thick skin and frankly do not care that most of the readers of this blog have a position in opposition to mine, but come on folks, you can express yourselves with your own set of opinions which you are entitled to, but not as Pat Moynahan once said, with your own set of facts. Anger is fine, but don't take it out on me.

Your guy lost for reasons that are more tied to your party and to the selection process of the nominee. Mocking me, criticizing my teaching abilities and expressing your anger in this way might be more appropriate with a radio celebrity than a simple, dedicated citizen with an opinion different that most of the readers of my post.  Thanks for your spirit and energy and I hope you wish our President well and pray for his success just like Mitt Romney did.

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Forker November 14, 2012 at 03:56 AM
between you and that spooner character I am getting my moneys worth of comedy. What is Obamacare doing to reduce costs again? how do you add 32 million people and see costs drop. Someone is paying? Is it all borrowed just like medicare, social security, welfare, food stamps?
DAD November 14, 2012 at 03:57 AM
Do you really think the insurance companies will be that profitable when unless they pay out 80% of their premiums they have to mail out checks to employers or each individual member. Believe me once scattered to that many people it won't be much help with the bills.
Forker November 14, 2012 at 04:12 AM
I asked you who pays and you said no one...now its the government? My goodness we already have a $16 trillion debt. Are we borrowing more money to give out more stuff? We do that know for all sorts of stuff like welfare, food stamps, medicare. is the debt OK??
Forker November 14, 2012 at 04:24 AM
Wah wah wah. How come you never rag on Apple or Microsoft or Intel or google or any other company? They make a lot more money than insurance companies. I bet apple makes as much as all the insurance companies combined. Shouldn't they give out free Iphones to everyone? Google doesn't need to charge right? Does the company you work for lose money and still give you free stuff? How do you explain Obamacare costing 6 million struggling Americans EVEN more just so someone else can get something for free? http://www.cnbc.com/id/49100802/CBO_Doubles_Estimate_of_How_Many_Will_Pay_Obamacare_Penalty
DAD November 14, 2012 at 04:37 AM
Logic. How is a positive for someone with a low annual income to be forced to pay a few hundred dollars a year for something they couldn't afford in the first place. I realize that YOU don't care because your premiums will go down, but that is the problem in a nutshell. ME ME ME. Whether you like it or not insurance companies provide JOBS and if they go down, lots of people go down. More unemployment, more foreclosure, less taxes being paid to give "handouts". Don't assume what I am thinking especially when I already stated that I am only against handouts by people who ABUSE the system. There are differences between handouts and entitlements. You read but your name is really starting to suit you. You should be seeking logic. But don't worry about the country or your children's future , as long as your insurance premiums go down.
DAD November 14, 2012 at 04:43 AM
Forker. I admire your common sense. It makes me have faith that there are people who get it.
Spooner November 14, 2012 at 04:53 AM
Now if your going to use my moniker. . .spell the General's name right!
Spooner November 14, 2012 at 05:08 AM
Forker- that was the point of those links. Romney got less votes than McCain did in 2008. Apparently our "Claus" blogger can't face reality just yet? Romney and the RNC did not motivate enough of their people. This point was also bought out last Sunday night by a syndicated conservative talk show host named Bill Cunningham, who operates out of Cincinnati, Ohio...when he was comparing the tally out of Hamilton County there...raising the same question. . .where were the Republican voters?
Stinki Garbaage November 14, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Now we know why you voted for Barrack O Claus....Free stuff. At least you admit it. That's admirable.
Stinki Garbaage November 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Logic, you just shot yourself in the foot by saying Obamacare make healthcare the law is much cheaper than it is now. That's just plain false. He promised everyone's healthcare costs would go down by $2,500 per family by 2012. Well, my families' health costs have increased, not decreased. Obama lies, but Barrack O' Claus....he's your man.
Stinki Garbaage November 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Logic, government subsidies = OUR Money. It's our subsidies. The government has no money if not for their confiscation of our income. If you're really seeking logic, you must take off the stupid hat first.
NJarhead November 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Dorian Yates, are you his alter ego or something? And what frame of reference do YOU have as it relates to the military? I'm guessing none. Yet here you are....running your ignorant trap.
NJarhead November 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Who said anything about "voter suppression???" But anyone who disargrees with voter ID laws is probably up to no good. Also, PA is a BLUE state and Obama did pretty well in FL even after they took all week to tally his votes. Reading on through these comments, it seems you're being revealed for who you really are: A know-nothing who likes to hear himself/herself talk. Good luck.
Rush November 14, 2012 at 02:22 PM
@Forker lol Didja miss the Bush admin? Speaking lying didja see the Brownie/Bush Katrina video? I did Accounting? Bush didnt put the wars on the books or Medicare Part D Hows the Bush cuts working out for the job creators? Where are the jobs Mr Weeper of the house How about Bush in the flyboy suit you do know he had no plan and he went awol Didja miss the S &L Bush family scandle? Republicons have no plans Republicons are out of touch with reality Hey Forker Paul diblowhard didnt/couldnt aswer therse 2 quesitons 1 Sarah Palin lives in AK where everyone who lives there receives a check from oil profits does that make her a hypocrite socialist? you betcha 2 Bristol spreadem Palin just how would this or any 16 yr old kid who just had a baby provide medical care and food etc or should they just starve
Stinki Garbaage November 14, 2012 at 04:04 PM
No, stupid they are not. But stupid they are (anyone who voted for Obama is who doesn't think their taxes are not going to increase, whether they are in the top 1%, the top 2%, the top 10% or anywhere else, including the top 75%, that is, all income earners.) Front page article in today's Wall Street Journal: Obama Seeks Steep Tax Target, sub-header: President to seek $1.6 Trillion More in Revenue, Double Level From 2011 Talks. Ha Ha Ha, Barack O Claus is coming to town. And we're all paying. Yes, stupid YOU ARE if you voted for Obama and think your taxes have not ALREADY gone up! Ha Ha Ha. Don't take my word for it. Read the article yourself. Then try to seek some logic in the refuge of the Constitution. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323551004578117152861144968.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories
Forker November 14, 2012 at 04:28 PM
It's easy to give out stuff you don't have to pay for and even easier to receive it when its free. The Welfare state is big business and the CEO is Obama!
Chris Welch November 14, 2012 at 05:04 PM
SeekingLogic - do you trust the WSJ & the CBO as sources of good information? http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2012/06/28/will-your-health-insurance-premiums-go-up-it-depends/ The average homeowner in NJ probably pays $25k per year for a mortgage and property taxes. Your annual HI premium is more then that ?
Forker November 14, 2012 at 06:21 PM
Here are the state costs see link below to see how you stack up. http://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcratepage_sp.pdf Doesn't the Federal Government prohibit interstate health insurance? In NJ, Horizon Blue Cross is a not for profit health provider. When you and others claim they are all greedy profit machines, that facts are just not there. In 2011 HBC had revs of $8.3 B and profits of 290M. that's 3.5 % net profit. $7B of the 8.3 was spent on care and the rest on running things. Where's all the fat and price gouging when you only make 3.5% profit? . As a comparison, Apple maker of everyone's phone, made $45B on sales of $150 B for a net profit of 30%. Does Apple provide its outsourced Chinese employees with health insurance?
Forker November 14, 2012 at 07:21 PM
That's what I like about you left leaners, there is always some excuse to offer up. So are regulations GOOD or BAD? Do they increase costs or not? Which regulations are so unique to NJ that makes this so? Why don't you and your fellow attackers pick on Apple and boycott their chinese made products? Why don't you provide some data anything to support your points. How will healthcare costs go down "rates will go down" ? What will make that happen? Aren't uninsured car drivers being subsidized? Aren't the people not paying taxes subsidized? Don't commercial property tax payers subsidize residential taxpayers? I agree we shouldn't have to subsidize our neighbors who don't want to support themselves so why should I pay higher taxes?
tuna stick November 14, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Willam Marino, CEO of Horizn B/C B/S has a salary of $935.000 per year, and was paid $7.8 Million in bonuses last year. They may be listed as a "not for profit" company, but hard to deny that management is NOT profiting. At least Apple is a private company, and has investors who can enact change in the management if not happy. Just sayin...
Forker November 14, 2012 at 07:35 PM
Boards of companies decide pay. BC's board gave him his contract. Apple's board gave Tim Cook his. Investors in Apple ie big companies voted to put these people on the Board. People like....... Are you aware Al Gore is on the Board of Apple? Big Climate Change Al supports outsourcing jobs to China where there are no greenhouse regulations and paying executives $378 million. Not a little bit of hypocrisy.......???? Further, did you know Al Gore gets paid millions to authorize Tim Cook's pay package? Now what qualifications does Al Gore have to be on Apple's Board? Peddling influence perhaps? Apple's CEO made 378 million. that's more than BC made in profits. This was comprised of $900,000 of cash salary and a $377 million stock grant. How come none of the occupiers are complaining about that? How come its only the insurance companies and THEIR FAT CATS management getting rich? Let's all agree to Boycott Apple until they make phones here in the US and pay decent wages and benefits shall we?
Forker November 14, 2012 at 07:41 PM
SL see there you go again, HBC's rates went up "went up so much" yet they made the same profit level. That tells me that costs and revenues rose together. You are accusing them of gouging ahead of the new laws. It's not accurate. Can you prove where they are stockpiling this extra money? I do pay taxes and plenty of them for the privilege. Why should i pay more - more than I do now - for everyone else's privilege. What's wrong with the amounts we pay now? Oh, I keep forgetting the government spends too much. Right! Thanks for the convo. Sadly you have failed to make much sense and have no proof but a bunch of emotional talking points all easily debunked.
Stinki Garbaage November 14, 2012 at 07:56 PM
Actually, Al Gore is now worth $100 Million thanks to investments in 14 green energy firms that received $2.5 Billion in loans from the Obama administration (uh...that's our money, the middle class taxes) Conflict of Interest? Not for the Democrats. Bill Clinton sexually harrassed a 19 year old intern IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Shocker? Not for a Democrat. Not when there's a "war on women" Good old Bill can wave his Stinki finger and say "I never had sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" Lie? Not for a Democrat. Don't believe that Al Gore is worth $100 Million due to US Taxpayer loans to his friends (I mean investment partners)? Read the Wall Street Journal, page one, two weeks ago. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203335504578086450730075938.html?fb_action_ids=203213439813139&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
Forker November 14, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Fair enough but you can stop posting things as facts when they are just opinions. I'm not debating your HI costs went up that much. Mine and everyone's are up too. One company I work with is up 30% and the other up 6%. Has to do more with their claims experience than greed. To blame the ins companies is playing the blame game narrative that Libs love to do. Let's at least civilly debate armed with facts.
Phil November 14, 2012 at 08:22 PM
For some plans, yes Chris Welch. I know some Family plans that are around 30K. In theory, plans should go down because the costs of the premiums must equate to no lower than 80% of the plans medical costs, i.e., only 20% of the plan may go to overhead costs like administrators and executive pay.
Forker November 14, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Are you serious? i think you need a refresher course is reading proxy reports. It's like the exec compenation friends and family plan. It may be the only thing we agree on and that is exec pay is out of control. http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/1619976669x0x531628/b6ec469d-aff8-4eef-9077-1defc2258f6b/2012_Proxy.pdf $260k in 2011 http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/2170488862x0xS1193125-11-3231/320193/filing.pdf $1.3 in 2010 Just for being on the board of Apple.........imagine that
Mittens lost November 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM
psst stinki climate change is real magic underwear is not
Mittens lost November 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM
Is the stare of Ak, a welfare state,by giving a check to everyone who lives there a socialist state? Does that make Sarah nailin Palin a socialist? you betcha
Mittens lost November 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM
You folks do know that paul lying ryan wouldnt tell you what tax loopholes he would have closed
Chris Welch November 15, 2012 at 03:38 AM
@Phil, I can see that cost for a family plan. As far as rates going down. No need to throw out a theory when you can check. Go here: http://companyprofiles.healthcare.gov/ Go down to: Find Basic Information About Your Insurance Company Enter the state and your healthcare company name (it should bring up choices like a google search) chose MLR. Hit search. Look down the page that comes up. This is done on an annual basis. The insurer could still raise rates as long as thye show the proper percentage is going to your medical coverage. If they come up short, they can just send you a rebate. Don't count on rates going down. from the site: On June 1, 2012, health insurers submitted their annual reports for 2011. They reported how much premium income they received and how they spent it. Insurers that owe rebates must pay—and provide a notice to consumers—by August 1, 2012. Consumers may see the "rebate" in a number of ways. These include: A rebate check in the mail; A lump-sum reimbursement to the same account that was used to pay the premium if it was paid by credit card or debit card; A direct reduction in their future premiums; or Your employer using one of the above rebate methods, or applying the rebate in a manner that benefits employees.

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