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After the Conventions: Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election, Obama or Romney?

Now that the Democratic and Republican delegates have officially chosen their nominees, Patch wants to know: Who are you betting on?

It's official: With President Barack Obama's acceptance speech in Charlotte Thursday night, both the Republicans and Democrats have formally chosen their nominees for the 2012 presidential election. Let the real race begin.

A lot can change between now and Nov. 6: Gaffes, scandals or even major international news events could shift the dynamics of the campaign.

The latest Gallup polls show registered voters preferring Obama to Mitt Romney by just one percentage point, 47 percent to 46 percent. A USA Today/Gallup poll taken just before the party conventions found American voters think Obama is more likeable, but trust Romney more to handle the economy.

Pundits have been busy for months handicapping the major-party candidates on various factors: incumbent advantage, fundraising clout, even religion.

Patch wants to know: Regardless of who you support for President, who do you think will actually claim victory in November?

Vote in our poll below, and let us know your reasoning in the comments.

Patrick September 18, 2012 at 11:50 PM
Definition of REGULATE m-w.com 1 a : to govern or direct according to rule b (1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority (2) : to make regulations for or concerning <regulate the industries of a country> 2 : to bring order, method, or uniformity to <regulate one's habits> and your outrage is duly noted, but you have to admit you are here all day... just click your name.... so you can say I don't know what you do, but the perception sure is that you waste all day on patch... half the time it seems you are arguing with yourself with these lists, and calling everyone and their mother liars. and if it is at work... on my dime. you are in fact stealing. Yes or No?. If you aren't at work, you must spend every hour off on patch.... so, I have to say.... what is it John Jay?
Barney September 18, 2012 at 11:51 PM
Another intelligent response from "Ric the Newark Teacher" below.
John Jay September 18, 2012 at 11:54 PM
Patrick -- Worry about yourself, plebe. Where and how I post information that debunks your lies is my own business not yours.
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 12:19 AM
my lies? look you can call me a plebe or paddy or whatever else you think demeans me, but lies? The only time i lie is on the couch. I'm sure you have a database of everyone's 'lies' on some spreadsheet or whatever, but I think you called me on was IRS agents being armed.. and I have said that those armed officers aren't there to collect your unpaid Obamacare penalties, but rather for IRS agents staking out criminals like the mob. You can twist that all you like, but THAT is not a lie. it is the truth. No armed IRS agent is going to show up at your for for $95 bucks to 1% of your income or latter $695 to 2%. Its a tea party BS started by the Gov of Maine whatever his name is. and you can't even say you don't post on Patch from work...
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM
the elderly?
faith September 19, 2012 at 12:29 AM
CAN WE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD ALREADY
Cardinal September 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Most of the 47% that don't pay taxes are all Republican states. Uh, oh Romney just shot himself in the foot, again.
BobDee September 19, 2012 at 02:11 AM
Tonto source please..I call bull pucky... Romney is mostly correct in this statement, both from a political analysis view and from a societal view. Romney correctly states that 47% of Americans pay no federal income tax, a figure publicized by the Tax Policy Center last year. However, he did not mention that many of those 47%, did pay into Social Security and Medicare and in some states are responsible for some payment of state income taxes. Those FICA taxes are usually not paid by the highest income groups who earn their money from investment or real estate income.
BobDee September 19, 2012 at 02:15 AM
Romney's statement is the kind of red meat his base has been dying to hear for months. The mainstream media hype around the story will only further serve to motivate the Republican base. I wouldn't be surprised if Romney's fundraising numbers increase in the next 48 hours. BTW, Romney wasn't even stumping he was talking to donors. I'd like to hear what's going down at Beyonce and Jayz's 2million dollar champagne diner tonite. Think there will be any hidden cameras there? I hope so.
BobDee September 19, 2012 at 02:30 AM
Food for thought... Why is the Bernanke announcing QE3? Could it be a failed domestic policy? Why is the Middle East on fire? Could it be a failed foreign policy? These are serious issues that need to be discussed. QE3 alone, you realize this has to be paid back,,,with interest!
Spooner September 19, 2012 at 03:04 AM
John- it was nice to give us your litany of the Heller case. . .but what exactly is your point. . .other than to impress who here? Like I said you have your opinion of Heller, and I side with Justice Stevens. Quoting Scalia: ...Petitioners and today’s dissenting Justices believe that it protects only the right to possess and carry a firearm in connection with militia service. See Brief for Petitioners 11–12; post, at 1 (Stevens, J., dissenting)... ...also: The preamble of the clause implies that the Second Amendment (which creates a right “to keep and bear arms”) is not about personal self-defense, but about forbidding the federal government to disarm state militias. Of cause Scalia dismisses this point along with telling us that the Second amendment was written for the voters to understand. . .I guess we're stilling having trouble there? Now John you got to bear with me...it seems that Justice Scalia doesn't share your views regarding(hope I got the spelling right on that one) unorganized militias. Here's his response is like when Clinton said: it depends on what your definition of what "is" is...continued...
Spooner September 19, 2012 at 03:13 AM
Now you's out there hold onto your hats reading this...from Scalia:..we believe that petitioners identify the wrong thing, namely, the organized militia. Unlike armies and navies, which Congress is given the power to create (“to raise … Armies”; “to provide … a Navy,” Art. I, §8, cls. 12–13), the militia is assumed by Article I already to be in existence. Congress is given the power to “provide for calling forth the militia,” §8, cl. 15; and the power not to create, but to “organiz[e]” it—and not to organize “a” militia, which is what one would expect if the militia were to be a federal creation, but to organize “the” militia, connoting a body already in existence... more of Scalia's. . .it depends on what "is" is...continued...
Spooner September 19, 2012 at 03:17 AM
Now for some more confusing double talk from Scalia...For Congress retains plenary authority to organize the militia, which must include the authority to say who will belong to the organized force.17 That is why the first Militia Act’s requirement that only whites enroll caused States to amend their militia laws to exclude free blacks. See Siegel, The Federal Government’s Power to Enact Color-Conscious Laws, 92 Nw. U. L. Rev. 477, 521–525 (1998). Thus, if petitioners are correct, the Second Amendment protects citizens’ right to use a gun in an organization from which Congress has plenary authority to exclude them. It guarantees a select militia of the sort the Stuart kings found useful, but not the people’s militia that was the concern of the founding generation...??
Spooner September 19, 2012 at 03:24 AM
John- just one more thing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless ...maybe you might want to correct your dictionary, with all this spelling correctness you want to preach too?
Spooner September 19, 2012 at 03:52 AM
No grey area there hah! Lets see Justice Stevens, Breyer, Souter, and Ginsberg descented. . .but there's know grey area?? If you say it's so. . .who are these four Judges to disagree with you. . .
Donna Griffin September 19, 2012 at 05:00 AM
Joey - That answer would be zip. Redistribution of wealth is destroying this nation and we are running out of time. If Americans are content with nearly $4/gallon gas, a real unemployment rate of nearly 15%, a mideast international disaster and an out-of-control justice department, then I do not even recognize my own country. Since when have we become a nation hell bent on self destruction?
Donna Griffin September 19, 2012 at 05:11 AM
With all due respect, Romney is applying for the job of President. It is absolutely in his purview to comment on international affairs. Just as Obama "interviewed" for the job of President 4 years ago all the while touting his ability to handle economic affairs, drive down the deficit, close Gitmo and improve the standing of the US internationally. If Obama didn't live up to his credentials, then his contract ought not be renewed.
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 08:26 AM
Spooner, your "militia" claims are a joke too. The history and the intent of the right to arms is based on an individual right, not a collective one. Period. The end. Do you think I am wrong? Put your money where your mouth is, Spooner. Produce a 100% authentic and verifiable quote that CLEARLY STATES that the Second Amendment was meant to apply SOLELY to a well-regulated militia from any one of the following: - One of the Founding Fathers (Ex. Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams; etc.) - Their contemporaries (Ex. St. George Tucker, Tenche Coxe, William Rawle; etc. - A 19th-century Supreme Court decision (Ex. U.S. v. Cruikshank (1876), Presser v. People of Illinois (1886), etc.). Now run along to class!
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 08:32 AM
Spooner, if you want to be ignorant and use unacceptable English and use "irregardless", be my guest. It's your choice to be ignorant, not mine. It is a non-standard " word. This isn't just my opinion, it is based on the authoritive sources: * Merriam-Webster doesn't accept it: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless * The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) rejects it. * The AP Style Manual (AKA the journalist's "Bible", also rejects it). * The American Heritage considers it "non-standard": (see: http://thebettereditor.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/irregardless-of-your-distaste-for-it/) * The Chicago Manual of Style rejects it: http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/CMS_FAQ/Usage/Usage109.html Any English or American Journalism professor worth their diploma would tell you the same. So please, continue your journey of English ingorance and we'll all sit back and laugh at you. Wikipedia is a nice place for background information, but I think the most reputable sources on the English language in the world trumps your flaccid claim. Here is the link to the English Department at Brookdale Community College. You may be able to get into a Spring Semester class: http://www.brookdalecc.edu/pages/291.asp
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 09:00 AM
Patrick loses again! I am not defending these people, but please explain the "mob" connection of the following situations: * Lawsuit blaming government for wife's suicide three days after armed Internal Revenue Service agents raided their home. (See: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/13/wrongful-death-suit-says-suicide-followed-irs-raid/#ixzz26u3LSmq3) * Dozens of armed agents from FDA, IRS, and FBI conducted unprovoked, full-scale raid Maxam Nutraceutics (producer and seller of nutritional supplements)(See: http://www.truthistreason.net/armed-fda-irs-and-fbi-agents-raid-family-nutrition-store-seize-everything-for-labeling-non-compliance) * Armed agents raid Mo’ Money home tax office: http://wtkr.com/2012/04/25/report-irs-agents-raid-mo-money-home-office/ * Armed IRS agents raid local business (See: http://www.localnews8.com/news/Feds-Mum-On-Why-They-Raided-Idaho-Falls-Businesses/-/308662/14517124/-/ovpdtk/-/index.html) * Armed IRS agents raid Idaho business (See: http://590kid.com/2012/04/06/irs-raids-idaho-falls-business/) * Armed IRS agents raid tax-return preparer (See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/tax/stories/irs043098.htm) RE: Patrick 8:19 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 "...but I think you called me on was IRS agents being armed.. and I have said that those armed officers aren't there to collect your unpaid Obamacare penalties, but rather for IRS agents staking out criminals like the mob."
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Well... you got me me. Yep, you clearly demonstrated that armed iRS agents are going to raid people's homes who don't pay a penalty. Ohh wait no you didn't... you proved my point. you even quoted it... "criminals like the mob". Maybe you don't get it, but saying LIKE THE MOB. I'm trying to help you associate a situation, but by using a qualifier like LIKE I am not limiting the use of CRIMINALS to just the mob,. and this is what you do all day on the tax payer dime.... try an make people who disagree with you look silly, when you aren't even discussing the real point, it is all about YOU. which suits your politics. and you want us to believe you are a public servant.
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Yeah but he made you waste good time looking all this up, when you could easily spent that time you reading more stuff at INFOWARS.
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Patrick...your have become a caricature of the Left here. What makes your words pathetic is that you have been repeadtedly proven wrong with historical, legal, and government documentation -- yet you continue to claim your false words are true. Instead of accepting your that you suffer from an acute lack of knowledge of U.S. history, U.S. Constitution -- and, of course, the CI division of the IRS, you try to keep your falsehoods alive using semantical life support. It doesn't work. You failed. As for your latest false accusation that I claimed to be a "public servant," -- you lied again. So please, enough lies. Run along.
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM
This is just sad. Where was I proven wrong here? and it was you who said you worked in a government capacity
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Go away Patrick. You bore me.
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 01:26 PM
Ohh but John Jay/ Winston/ Steve from Kingston you amuse me, like a circus clown that has performed the same stale act for decades... And sadly knows little else. You have always had this inflated sense of your own opinion... Have waxed on about facts while edififing yourself wirh conspiracy and recently you have had a drop in the old self confidence by having to having to reference your famous fairytale friends. Don't ever change, the world needs you just as you are.
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 01:58 PM
More semantics Patrick. "Government capcity" does not equal "public servant". You lied, for example, when you claimed I use the citizens' money to refute your personal attacks and lies here. What I do and who I know is my own business -- and your making false accusations that I am engaging in theft is a sure sign of your desperation and inability to counter what I write with facts and logic. So run along now...go spew a stream of false claims and personal attacks somewhere else.
Patrick September 19, 2012 at 02:14 PM
Sir you put these things out there not me... You know Christie, Harvard law grads etc and if you want to be purposefully obtuse about your capacity in government, so be it... One would take from your words that you draw a tax payer funded check for said work. But really how thin is that skin of yours... You put it out there, expect to be called on it. That is how it works I do so enjoy your misplaced hubris . And actually I'll decide where I post on the Internet, not you. And desperate I am not, I just find you amusing.
John Jay September 19, 2012 at 02:28 PM
<yawn>, Patrick....you're boring me...<yawn>. It's not my fault you don't encounter interesting people as you go about. I just sort of fell into it...
Can't handle the truth September 19, 2012 at 03:09 PM
WE WILL LOOSE MORE DOCTORS.

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